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>> [Gavel]
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>> I will call the meeting to order.
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Today is Tuesday, July 28, 2020. We are
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in council chambers at 222 North
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Tennessee St. in the great city of
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McKinney Texas. Before we start the
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meeting I ask the gentlemen in chambers
00:39:41
to remove the flags. The policy that there are
00:39:43
no flags represented in the chamber
00:39:48
other than the two flags behind us. The
00:39:49
American flag and Texas flag. I will
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ask council if they concur with that
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policy?
00:39:56
>> I concur.
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>> So moved.
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>> Okay.
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>> I concur.
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>> Mr. Shemwell.
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>> [Multiple speakers]
00:40:10
>> You have a ordinance for open
00:40:16
flags. There's a black lives matter
00:40:17
teacher right there. [inaudible]. Why
00:40:20
does he get to have a T-shirt if I can
00:40:22
have this?
00:40:23
>> Sir, -- my right you speak --
00:40:32
>> [Multiple speakers]
00:40:33
>> You are invading my right you speak.
00:40:34
>> You are now disrupting my meeting.
00:40:36
>> [Speaker off microphone]
00:40:38
>> I'm going to ask you again, please
00:40:40
put the flag down.
00:40:44
>> I will not put the flag down, no.
00:40:46
Right there, black lives matter.
00:40:50
[inaudible]. Right there, black lives
00:40:54
matter. They can have those T-shirts
00:40:55
but I can have a Confederate flag. Why?
00:41:03
Why do that get our flags and mean,
00:41:04
not.
00:41:05
>> Again all asked you to stop
00:41:06
disturbing - -
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>> I will stop talking, right now. I
00:41:08
made my point.
00:41:14
>> [inaudible]
00:41:19
>> There is a law if you disrupt my
00:41:20
meeting I can - -
00:41:21
>> [Speaker off microphone]
00:41:22
>> I'm not going to say another word.
00:41:23
>> You are not quiet. You continue to
00:41:24
talk. City attorney.
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>> [Speaker off microphone]
00:41:29
>> Sir, you have a choice at this
00:41:32
time. We can have this man escorted out
00:41:34
for disrupting the meeting. I've a
00:41:38
feeling that's what you would like. So
00:41:42
instead I don't want to get our police
00:41:46
deposition. I'm going to tell you that
00:41:47
speaking for myself, I believe I'm
00:41:48
speaking for the council that they
00:41:50
agreed that we do not fly that flag. I
00:41:58
find it in tremendously in poor taste.
00:41:59
I don't condone it. I think it is a
00:42:01
provocative step in the very wrong
00:42:03
direction where we are trying to be
00:42:08
headed. But I will not have you removed
00:42:09
although I absolutely have the
00:42:10
authority to have your move toward
00:42:11
disrupting the meeting. You don't have
00:42:15
to video. It'll be posted tomorrow a
00:42:16
nice clear HP version of it so you
00:42:17
don't need your phone out but, chief, I
00:42:18
will not ask you to escort him out. I
00:42:22
will just make it very clear, as I
00:42:26
have, for those here offended by that,
00:42:29
I apologize. I hope you understand my
00:42:31
decision to not have him removed for
00:42:33
disturbing the meeting. I think again,
00:42:35
it will just create something that maybe
00:42:45
is desired. It certainly not desired
00:42:46
by me and the council. So, with that,
00:42:47
we will continue for two things.
00:42:48
There's been a lot of chatter about
00:42:49
this meeting being moved to 3 PM to
00:42:58
avoid winning to hear people. That is
00:42:59
inaccurate. This meeting has been
00:43:00
scheduled for quite some time. It's a
00:43:01
special meeting we had for a work
00:43:02
session. It's the next available
00:43:12
meeting that's why it's at 3 PM. At
00:43:13
5:30 PM we have a TIRZ - meeting at 6
00:43:14
PM there is a PNC meeting. That's why
00:43:15
we need today at three. In absolutely
00:43:16
no way shape or form is it is I do not
00:43:17
hear anybody. In regard to public
00:43:22
comments, I know there's a lot of
00:43:23
people here to make comments. Were to
00:43:24
proceed with our first work session item
00:43:31
. Let that happen. It's going to take
00:43:33
45 minutes. Then, afterward, we will
00:43:34
have public comments. So for those who
00:43:35
are here and made the journey, I
00:43:40
apologize again. This has nothing to do
00:43:41
with trying to delay the meeting but we
00:43:42
had our first scheduled business from
00:43:46
months ago that we have to get done.
00:43:51
And then they can leave the room the
00:43:52
make room for [inaudible]. So, with
00:43:57
that, we will moved to item 20.00 65
00:44:08
presentation on air service and related
00:44:09
airport improvements at McKinney
00:44:10
national report by Pegasus Associates.
00:44:20
>> Good afternoon Mayor
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councilmembers. City manager
00:44:30
Grimes--city staff and guests. When
00:44:36
McKinney leadership inquired of Pegasus
00:44:37
Associates if it remained interested in
00:44:38
designing, constructing, equipping,
00:44:42
managing and operating a
00:44:43
state-of-the-art airline passenger
00:44:44
terminal, constructing a second
00:44:48
crosswind runway together with the
00:44:51
necessary ramp taxiway and nearside
00:44:52
infrastructure to support foster and
00:44:59
sustain commercial airline service at
00:45:00
McKinney national Airport, Pegasus
00:45:01
answer, most definitely. Pegasus
00:45:03
Associates and its McKinney national
00:45:04
Airport working with partners Abernathy
00:45:08
Road or Boyd Holick, HKS, architects,
00:45:12
net alliance, Sage group, architects
00:45:14
and Turner construction remain firmly
00:45:18
committed to achieving that office
00:45:20
stated objective with the overarching
00:45:23
goal of introducing regularly scheduled
00:45:24
commercial airline service to McKinney
00:45:27
national Airport. Pegasus Associates
00:45:32
has engaged financing through net
00:45:35
alliance whose Houston-based principals
00:45:37
have stated a closing can occur within
00:45:40
90-120 days following the execution of
00:45:42
the term letter agreement. Between the
00:45:43
city of McKinney and Pegasus. Pegasus
00:45:48
has provided previously to the McKinney
00:45:50
city Council and McKinney leadership
00:45:54
passenger and plane forecasts, a
00:45:55
financial model to that together with
00:46:00
supporting data on which has been
00:46:01
reviewed and validated by consultants
00:46:02
retained by the city at the direction
00:46:03
of the McKinney city Council. In 2019
00:46:09
the McKinney city Council elected to
00:46:10
open Pegasus Associates commercial air
00:46:18
service imperative to competition and
00:46:19
in so doing extended invitations to
00:46:20
parties to submit of interest for you
00:46:21
by McKinney city Council manager Grimes
00:46:26
and city staff. It is Pegasus
00:46:27
Associates understanding only two
00:46:28
respondents were deemed qualified of
00:46:29
which, Pegasus was one. The global
00:46:35
COVID 19 virus pandemic has been
00:46:36
particularly challenging for the
00:46:37
airline industry worldwide. Pegasus
00:46:44
Associates recognizes business and
00:46:47
leisure air travel is not likely to
00:46:48
return to peak-COVID 19 levels in the
00:46:49
near-term. Possibly not for two or
00:46:50
three years. Together with our TTI
00:46:55
partners we have every confidence these
00:46:56
two - excuse me - the two N.
00:46:57
Texas-based Airlines American Airlines
00:46:59
and Southwest, as well as other US and
00:47:00
international air carriers which will
00:47:08
most likely reemerge as smaller more
00:47:09
efficient carriers, will continue to be
00:47:10
vital components of the North Texas
00:47:14
economy which McKinney can be a
00:47:16
beneficiary by agreed to partner with
00:47:17
Pegasus to implement the air service
00:47:18
imperative. In conclusion, Pegasus
00:47:19
Associates realizes this to-three year
00:47:23
window provides at this moment an
00:47:24
extraordinary, perhaps a
00:47:29
once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, to
00:47:30
construct a modern state-of-the-art
00:47:31
terminal, a second runway that will
00:47:33
benefit both general and commercial
00:47:36
aviation components of McKinney
00:47:37
national Airport upon completion. These
00:47:38
air site improvements together with
00:47:40
economic development opportunities,
00:47:48
both on and off airport property, will
00:47:49
most certainly result McKinney national
00:47:50
Airport being an integral component
00:47:52
throughout North Texas as well as the
00:47:53
national air transportation system.
00:48:02
Just as reliever airports currently
00:48:03
serve major domestic and international
00:48:04
air transportation markets, including
00:48:05
but not restricted to Chicago,Los
00:48:06
Angeles, New York, San Francisco, and
00:48:08
Texas Houston, when commercial air
00:48:10
service imperative is realized,
00:48:18
McKinney national Airport will emerge
00:48:19
as an airport that is complementary
00:48:20
with Dallas-Fort Worth international
00:48:21
Airport, and Dallas will field for the
00:48:22
benefit of commercial airlines
00:48:30
passengers the city of McKinney and the
00:48:31
entire North Texas region. Time now is
00:48:32
on our side. And the time to act, is
00:48:33
now. Thank you very much.
00:48:34
>> Good afternoon. My name is Neil
00:48:40
Albrecht, chief operations officer at
00:48:43
Pegasus. There we go. These next few
00:48:54
slides, for the sake of brevity were
00:48:55
just going to scan through them. You
00:48:57
can look at them at your leisure. They
00:48:58
show that McKinney airspace does not
00:49:00
conflict with any of the existing two
00:49:04
airports. At all. Anyway, chose the
00:49:11
different geographical areas and things
00:49:13
like that. We what we want to talk my
00:49:14
first is the economic impact to the
00:49:17
city and to the county. TX-DOT [inaudible]
00:49:34
sporting 993 jobs and payroll of the
00:49:35
64.3 million. We use the same TX-DOT
00:49:38
format and indices coupled with our
00:49:43
forecast [inaudible] of almost 800,000
00:49:44
pastors, 17 daily departures, to
00:49:45
forecast our economic impact. Beyond
00:49:49
airport economic amounts impacts, mount
00:49:53
through 618 jobs totaling $433 million.
00:49:58
The capital improvement components as
00:50:02
advised by construction is 200 jobs or
00:50:09
$79 million. The visitor impact, we
00:50:10
simply double the TX-DOT aviation
00:50:13
estimate. The multiplier equated to 958
00:50:17
jobs, 162 million. The total is 1916
00:50:21
jobs created. At $433 million.
00:50:27
Additionally, we will be donating about
00:50:29
$100 million to the city. Pegasus would
00:50:31
also pay the city a percent of gross
00:50:33
revenues of five percent first year
00:50:37
value. That's about $1.2 million in the
00:50:41
city's two percent allocation in sales
00:50:42
tax from parking and concessionaires
00:50:43
would amount to 165,000. Hence, the
00:50:48
total of 535 million. Other direct
00:50:53
economic impact: these areas we cannot
00:50:56
accurately measure. However we are
00:50:59
certain they will be beneficial
00:51:04
economic impact. Things such a special
00:51:05
rental car and hotel room taxes, future
00:51:06
airport development facilities. Odd
00:51:08
stands for express rater aircraft and
00:51:12
airport hotel foreign trade zone, etc.
00:51:16
Additionally, Pegasus will reimburse
00:51:17
the city for the incremental capital
00:51:19
Quitman costs associated with police
00:51:21
crash fire rescue and airport
00:51:27
maintenance people. Scheduled
00:51:28
commercial service will most certainly
00:51:34
increase McKinney's appeal for
00:51:35
corporate relocations. The citizens of
00:51:36
McKinney will also benefit by increase
00:51:37
property values as a consequence of
00:51:38
this economic stimulus. Along these
00:51:44
lines, these incremental revenues
00:51:45
received by the city will mitigate
00:51:46
future real estate tax increases and
00:51:48
fund future quality-of-life projects
00:51:50
which the city may have in mind. In sum,
00:51:53
commercial air service will positively
00:51:56
impact McKinney and Collin County by
00:51:58
over $1 billion. I want to talk for a
00:52:02
second about public private
00:52:03
partnerships. Very common. The airport
00:52:09
council a trade group advises 51 of the
00:52:17
100 busiest airports in the world at
00:52:18
least some level private management.
00:52:19
UK, 1987 was one of the leaders in this
00:52:20
area when the [inaudible] so the
00:52:22
private entity that Randy major airport
00:52:25
in the country including London
00:52:26
Heathrow. In 1997, Congress passed the
00:52:31
airport privatization by the program.
00:52:34
Which allowed by the owners to lease
00:52:36
and operate portions of an airport.
00:52:46
Anything from a single terminal to the
00:52:47
whole airport. Two years ago, in 2018
00:52:48
the FAA updated the program hoping to
00:52:49
boost private as isolation and
00:52:50
rechristened the program. It is now the
00:52:51
airport investment partnership program.
00:52:55
After the 1997 act, San Juan
00:53:02
international and [inaudible]
00:53:03
privatize. San Juan privatized in 2013
00:53:04
and it has been a great success. In
00:53:08
late 1990s, the mid-1990s,
00:53:11
-- Dutch airport
00:53:13
authority ago she had privatization of
00:53:15
JFK's international terminal four. More
00:53:20
recently, the new LaGuardia central
00:53:24
terminal will be managed by a Canadian
00:53:25
firm. The FAA updated airport
00:53:26
investment partnership programs as
00:53:32
mentioned, was specifically intended to
00:53:33
encourage these types of arrangements.
00:53:35
The proposed agreement: we want to give
00:53:39
you a brief overview of our proposal.
00:53:44
Pegasus will build come out of it and
00:53:45
operate a state-of-the-art passenger
00:53:48
terminal facilitya new crosswind
00:53:49
runway. Associated ramp and other
00:53:50
facilities required to support
00:53:52
commercial airline services. All all
00:53:55
subject to a master plan. Pegasus will
00:54:13
have rights through development of
00:54:14
language Pegasus will have acquired as
00:54:15
a consequence of the airport expansion,
00:54:16
which will actually be donated to the
00:54:17
city of McKinney into of crown rental.
00:54:18
The construction of the passenger
00:54:19
terminal Eastside taxiways and ramp
00:54:20
areas will be prioritized. Consequently
00:54:21
the financing and construction may
00:54:22
occur in separate cases. The term of
00:54:24
the agreement, the agreement will be
00:54:25
commensurate with the duration of the
00:54:26
bonds. Pegasus pre-financing expenses
00:54:31
and usual and customary fees and
00:54:32
charges associated with bond issuance
00:54:34
will be included in the capital
00:54:38
requirements. All terms and conditions
00:54:39
are subject to mutual agreement between
00:54:40
the city and Pegasus and they will all
00:54:51
conform to city, state and federal
00:54:52
regulations and building codes. Pegasus
00:54:53
will consistently brief the city on the
00:54:54
progress of the project and we will
00:54:55
seek your concurrence in matters of
00:54:56
design and constructionas well as
00:54:57
coordinate the city and management of
00:54:58
passenger terminal and other
00:54:59
operational areas where appropriate.
00:55:01
Time to act is now. Just a short time
00:55:06
ago the aviation industry was booming.
00:55:07
Then came the pandemic which resulted
00:55:09
in a severe drop in demand to business
00:55:11
and leisure travel. The industry will
00:55:16
recover. Most say, in about two years
00:55:17
and by then, new McKinney commercial
00:55:19
airline terminal could be ready.
00:55:24
Boeing, Airbus the airlines and US in
00:55:25
general are counting on a recovery.
00:55:28
Recently, there's 387 737 Max aircraft
00:55:38
about to be recertified. The FAA has
00:55:39
begun the process of recertification.
00:55:40
The airworthiness directive by which
00:55:41
the world air carriers will upgrade the
00:55:47
aircraft is happening now. Soon, those
00:55:48
aircraft another new aircraft will join
00:55:49
the fleet of US carriers. Any older
00:55:50
aircraft have been retired but the
00:55:52
replacements are about to be delivered
00:55:53
and will be put into service. At the
00:55:57
same time, there are new airlines about
00:55:58
to be born. Lobo Crossing is one of
00:56:00
them. They're working to their FAR 121
00:56:07
certification process but expect to be
00:56:08
flying by 2021. They will operate A320
00:56:15
aircraft in flight from various points
00:56:16
across US and Canada to Atlantic City.
00:56:17
The second one, breeze, is very
00:56:18
exciting. It's founder is David Newman.
00:56:22
He was the founder of Moore's air which
00:56:23
was sold to Southwest in the 1990s.
00:56:26
Subsequently, he founded JetBlue and is
00:56:30
a will which a very successful
00:56:31
Brazilian ch carrie he completed the
00:56:36
certification process and will fly a
00:56:38
220 aircraft. These will offer
00:56:41
point-to-point service for smaller
00:56:42
markets for the other scheduled
00:56:43
airports like Fort Worth, Austin, Gary
00:56:48
Indiana, Chicago, Burbank, New York,
00:56:54
Louisville, Las Vegas, open,
00:56:58
centerfield in Orlando Florida, Trenton
00:57:03
and set of Philadelphia and many other
00:57:04
services. I think McKinney would
00:57:05
certainly have some appeal to them. The
00:57:08
area. If North Texas-- the population
00:57:11
would tie Washington state as 13th most
00:57:14
populated state and GDP would be 12
00:57:22
between Massachusetts and Virginia.
00:57:23
West Texas has the most diverse economy
00:57:24
in the US and medium ages young. Collin
00:57:38
County, Kern County's population is
00:57:39
over 1 million about the same as Tucson
00:57:40
Arizona. Which is the 53rd largest
00:57:41
metropolitan statistical area in the
00:57:42
US. Tucson is served by eight airlines.
00:57:43
Having 50 flights per day to 19 on stop
00:57:45
destinations. As we mentioned beginning
00:57:46
airport project now will allow the air
00:57:49
line enough time to allocate equipment
00:57:50
resources to adequately plan schedules.
00:57:52
The airlines will also want to advise us
00:57:55
about features they will require.
00:57:56
Funding is available interest rates are
00:57:58
at record lows. Net alliance is ready
00:58:03
for this project once definitive
00:58:04
agreement is reached. The project itself
00:58:07
is concerned with state and federal
00:58:09
national restructure goals as well as
00:58:16
the city Council's own fiscal year 2020
00:58:17
goal of bringing commercial air service
00:58:18
to McKinney. The FAA in-flight rules
00:58:24
forecast for the period 2022 2040 shows
00:58:25
an increase of annual aircraft handled
00:58:26
from 43.5 million to 59.7 million, or
00:58:33
about 40 percent. Clearly, the US will
00:58:34
need more terminals and runways. The US
00:58:39
suffers an infrastructure remediation
00:58:40
gap while the US spends about 400
00:58:46
billion per year on infrastructure, it
00:58:47
is still not enough. Why wait for
00:58:48
funding when it's available now?
00:58:50
Lastly, way too long and perhaps other
00:58:51
cities in the area will decide to
00:58:53
develop commercial service. Possibly
00:58:58
[inaudible] McKinney airspace. Next --
00:59:01
in order to receive we need you to join
00:59:05
with us. We know letter of intent or
00:59:06
term sheet. Once we have the letter of
00:59:08
intent we can jointly meet with TX-DOT
00:59:10
Department of aviation and brief them
00:59:17
on our plans. Next we will let the FAA
00:59:18
know what we want to accomplish and
00:59:19
asked them with help and guidance. Of
00:59:24
course, we need all the help and
00:59:25
support we can muster so we think
00:59:26
letting our Texas Senators Congressman
00:59:27
and Gov.'s office know about the
00:59:28
project is crucial. A critical next
00:59:32
step is meeting with airlines. Net
00:59:33
alliance access to high-level
00:59:37
decision-makers at the airlines. They
00:59:38
will help us. Once we complete those
00:59:40
steps, and net alliance has due
00:59:48
diligence compliant completed will be
00:59:49
ready to sign a definitive agreement.
00:59:50
Funding can follow to 90-120 days. Now,
00:59:54
our team will correlate with the city
00:59:55
to acquire needed land, there are BID
01:00:01
packages construction can begin and
01:00:02
meanwhile we will work on landing the
01:00:03
rates, rates and use fees license and
01:00:07
concession agreements. Schedule airline
01:00:08
service can begin and 18-24 months. In
01:00:11
summary, no funding is required by the
01:00:12
city of McKinney. Furthered the city
01:00:17
encourages no liability. The city gets
01:00:18
a new state-of-the-art Covid compliant
01:00:21
passenger terminal. The new crosswind
01:00:25
runway will alleviate current
01:00:26
congestion and reduce the noise their
01:00:34
points noise profile. The city acquires
01:00:35
750-1000 acres which will be added to
01:00:36
the airport. At no cost to the city.
01:00:39
Almost 2000 well paying jobs will be
01:00:42
created. Over $1 billion per year in
01:00:44
economic benefit will be realized.
01:00:47
McKinney and all of Collin County will
01:00:49
become even a greater magnet of
01:00:53
corporately locations. In sum, it's
01:00:56
McKinney's exclusive economic stimulus
01:01:00
plan for the city has everything to
01:01:01
gain, and nothing to lose. Marvin?
01:01:07
>> Before you start, people outside
01:01:11
the chamber, we can hear all the
01:01:15
talking and it can be disruptive. So if
01:01:19
I can ask you very respectfully to keep
01:01:20
it down until this hesitation is done.
01:01:23
I greatly appreciated. Thank you.
01:01:25
>> [Speaker off microphone]
01:01:28
>> I am Marvin Brad -- with Pegasus
01:01:31
and this is the Pegasus team that will
01:01:35
finance and design and construct the
01:01:39
commercial service imperative for TKI.
01:01:41
First, I like to point out net
01:01:44
alliance our financial partner and - -
01:01:48
and they will speak first and then I
01:01:50
like to introduce our design and
01:01:54
construction, the Sage group and HKS
01:01:59
for master plan and facilities design.
01:02:00
And Turner constructionor construction
01:02:02
management. First, we will hear from
01:02:04
Todd Graham, of alliance, our
01:02:08
finance binder.
01:02:19
>> Good afternoon. Thanks. I will be
01:02:20
as brief as I can because I know we are
01:02:21
on the clock there's a lot of folks
01:02:22
behind me with some important stuff to
01:02:23
say. My name is Todd Graham for
01:02:24
managing director of natural and
01:02:25
securities. We are in Austin-based
01:02:31
boutique investment bank with an
01:02:32
institutional sales and trading on with
01:02:33
offices in New York and in Austin. I'd
01:02:34
be are in structure finance investment
01:02:38
banking practice. Senior investment
01:02:39
banking researcher finance leadership
01:02:40
has nearly 70 years experience in
01:02:42
financing infrastructure assets. We are
01:02:47
excited to be part of this project. Is
01:02:48
been under his session for a while.
01:02:51
There is no question in our mind that
01:02:57
the appetite among institutional
01:02:58
investors for quality infrastructure
01:02:59
assets with quality operators, and
01:03:05
quality locations is very real and it
01:03:06
is they are. Visa, this is a highly
01:03:14
unusual time and markets have been
01:03:15
disrupted significantly under the Covid
01:03:16
experience, but the reality is we sit
01:03:17
in an environment of long-term low
01:03:18
interest ratesand those institutional
01:03:19
investors all over the globe looking
01:03:20
for quality assets to invest in. So we
01:03:24
are excited to be here we are etc. the
01:03:25
project. Having to answer questions you
01:03:26
have and reach out and we can answer
01:03:28
those. I will go back. Sorry.
01:03:34
>> Now, I like to describe howPegasus
01:03:47
intends to make passenger service at TKI
01:03:48
a reality. Until Congress the city
01:03:49
Council's fiscal year 2020 build
01:03:50
three.Our scope of work is that Pegasus
01:03:56
will design and construct all what's
01:03:57
required to achieve an operating
01:03:58
airport for new scheduled commercial
01:03:59
passenger service. That means all
01:04:00
facilities equipment and systems. This
01:04:05
effort will include but is not limited
01:04:06
to, the following airfield and landside
01:04:12
facilities: a master land-use plan for
01:04:13
alt landside development:. A new
01:04:17
multi-lessons or terminal which will
01:04:18
look to the future and technology and
01:04:25
will open with initially with four
01:04:26
gates. Later expandable two additional
01:04:27
gates. It will build on the east side
01:04:31
north side runway 1836.
01:04:33
Areas and taxiways. A new crosswind
01:04:35
runway known as 1331. It will be
01:04:40
constructed at north end of the
01:04:43
existing runway. One or more of the on
01:04:45
airport land parcels will be dedicated
01:04:52
to business opportunities. Such as a
01:04:53
hotel and conference center for
01:04:54
example. And will be available for
01:04:55
lease to qualify parties as the
01:04:58
airport is built out. Design and
01:05:01
construction of the airport:Pegasus
01:05:07
will engage aviation experienced firms
01:05:08
that have seasoned leadership to meet
01:05:11
budgets, meet schedules and to build
01:05:13
quality construction. We envision the
01:05:18
air side and landside architectural and
01:05:19
engineering designs to proceed
01:05:23
concurrently. The construction phase
01:05:24
will be managed by a single
01:05:25
construction manager. Construction
01:05:27
delivery will be a construction manager
01:05:29
at risk contract form guaranteeing a
01:05:32
maximum price and completion date. Now,
01:05:37
each firm represented here today was to
01:05:39
their respective part. First, Curtis
01:05:46
Young Sage group architects and Eric
01:05:47
Nelson of HKS architects will describe
01:05:51
the design process and what they
01:05:52
envision. And that will be followed by
01:05:57
Dave Turner, of Turner construction
01:05:58
company who will provide construction
01:05:59
management for the project. So, Kirk.
01:06:04
>> In this process and plan as we
01:06:07
look to the future you mentioned
01:06:14
billions of dollars of economic impact
01:06:17
going into the future. Anywhere in the
01:06:21
plan [inaudible] going into the future
01:06:24
is there a process in the plan for any
01:06:27
of those dollars to be allocated for
01:06:30
minority contractors, 30 percent or any
01:06:32
in this plan to be dedicated to
01:06:35
minority contractors or any of those
01:06:36
billions of dollars to help accomplish --
01:06:42
>> Good question.
01:06:43
>> Yes, sir.
01:06:45
>> [Multiple speakers]
01:06:49
>> That's okay. I need to ask him so
01:06:50
they can address it later.
01:06:52
>> Yes, sir. That very point is
01:06:57
addressed following the speaker.
01:06:58
>> Thank you Mr. Chair.
01:07:08
>> All of counsel that we no questions
01:07:09
during the presentation. They have a
01:07:10
certain amount of time. They flown in.
01:07:11
I will make sure they get to their
01:07:12
presentation. There will be time for
01:07:13
questions and if not we will follow-up.
01:07:14
No questions until it's over.
01:07:17
>> What type of council this is where
01:07:18
we cannot ask presenters questions?
01:07:20
>> Patrick, let them finish their
01:07:23
presentation. We are eating into their
01:07:25
time. Finish their presentation then
01:07:28
ask any question.
01:07:30
>> They honestly have a discussion
01:07:32
with its proper adequate you
01:07:34
councilmembers to ask questions. At the
01:07:44
end is when the mayor presided over the
01:07:45
Manning opens up the questions. Right
01:07:46
now, please come again let them finish
01:07:47
the presentation.
01:07:48
>> I assure you our presentation went
01:07:51
your questions.
01:07:52
>> I appreciate that.
01:07:53
>> Mayor members of council my name is
01:07:59
three with Sage group with me is Eric
01:08:00
Nelson with HES. We represent the
01:08:03
design team for the McKinney national
01:08:04
Airport. And we are pleased to be
01:08:05
before you here today to speak about
01:08:08
this. Speaking to his question,
01:08:10
generally, the design team will in the
01:08:12
contractors involved with that will
01:08:15
make a 25, 30 percent minority
01:08:17
participation just in general, but we
01:08:22
will be with the Sage group working on
01:08:23
the master land-use plan for the
01:08:28
airport where everything goes and what
01:08:29
have you. We worked closely with HKS as
01:08:34
the designers of the terminal and other
01:08:35
structures that will go on that. In the
01:08:39
interest of, medical write to them and
01:08:40
let them give their presentation. Eric.
01:08:42
>> Thank you. My name is Eric Nelson
01:08:49
with HKS. Happy to be here today to
01:08:50
talk about this exciting project with
01:08:51
the city Council and Mayor. I'll start
01:08:54
out about HKS will HKS is a global
01:08:55
architectural firm that has local
01:09:00
roots. As such, we have a dedicated
01:09:02
aviation practice. This is some of our
01:09:10
leadership at the aviation practice.
01:09:11
These people alone have over 100 years
01:09:12
combined experience in aviation design
01:09:20
and planning. Going back to HKS, I'd
01:09:23
say were a global firm which allows us
01:09:24
to draw expertise from around the world
01:09:25
and around the country but we were
01:09:26
founded in 1939 here in Dallas. We
01:09:27
still maintain our headquarters in the
01:09:28
city of Dallas and it is our largest
01:09:31
office. That will be where we actually
01:09:32
produce the design for this project.
01:09:36
With that, global expertise we bring to
01:09:43
the project, we are able to do all of
01:09:44
the design for the landside structures
01:09:45
such as terminals, concourses, planning
01:09:49
fire stations, Intermodal
01:09:50
transportation, hotels, etc. As part of
01:09:57
that we also maintain a lot of
01:10:05
relationships, business relationships,
01:10:06
with other global leaders with design
01:10:07
and contract including engineers for
01:10:13
mechanical electrical structural civil
01:10:14
and other disciplines as needed. In
01:10:15
addition to that, over time we are large
01:10:16
healthcare firm as well. We develop a
01:10:17
group called the HKS advisory group,
01:10:19
which researches and develops new master
01:10:29
priority business plans for particular
01:10:30
starting with healthcare plans but it's
01:10:31
involved in all our different clients
01:10:32
and how to manage things like infection
01:10:33
control and other items like that so
01:10:34
that we have the cutting edge ideas and
01:10:39
plans in place especially in these two
01:10:40
times with a Covid 19. As you can see
01:10:43
we are spread throughout the country so
01:10:46
we are able to draw insurance from a
01:10:48
lot of different places. Now all hopped
01:10:59
through some of our portfolio here.
01:11:00
This is the DFW terminal D. I'm sure
01:11:01
you're familiar with that. We designed
01:11:02
this. As was the grand Hyatt and the
01:11:06
parking garage. Right now the grand
01:11:07
Hyatt is going to refresh we are
01:11:08
involved with. We also did a
01:11:10
headquarter building for DFW airport.
01:11:15
Right now we also have an on-call
01:11:16
contract at Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson,
01:11:19
which includes everything from terminal
01:11:20
refreshes, two new fire stations
01:11:22
andother things on that list. There are
01:11:29
some shots of our modernization. We are
01:11:30
trying to bring more light and air into
01:11:31
the project. As you can see here. We
01:11:41
are also doing a five gait extension to
01:11:42
Hartsfield which is a similar size to
01:11:43
McKinney will start with. Integrating
01:11:44
this new part of the building with the
01:11:45
renovations that we are doing. As you
01:11:47
can see.In addition to that, we are
01:11:53
also working on San Francisco's Harvey
01:11:54
milk terminal one was up this is a
01:11:56
hybrid domestic and international
01:11:58
terminal. So they can interchange the
01:12:06
gates between domestic and
01:12:07
international flights. It's also zero
01:12:08
net energy building. So this building
01:12:09
will use no more energy than it
01:12:11
actually produces which is pretty
01:12:12
unique and airport world. This thing is
01:12:16
also, this design is also a design
01:12:22
around passengers to make you feel
01:12:23
comfortable in such a busy airport and
01:12:24
is also even extension of San
01:12:25
Francisco Museum of Art as you can see
01:12:26
the sculpture they are. And lastly,
01:12:32
this is the Gerald R Ford Airport
01:12:38
expansion in Grand Rapids Michigan.
01:12:39
This is an eight gait extension will
01:12:45
stop we use a lot of natural light in
01:12:46
this project because were so far north
01:12:47
you have a lot of dark winter months so
01:12:49
we are trying to enhance natural light
01:12:54
during daylight to save energy and also
01:12:55
for passenger comfort. You can see the
01:12:56
different seating areas such as lounge
01:12:58
seating and typical seating as well.
01:12:59
And also included concessions and bars
01:13:02
and places to hang out as you're
01:13:04
waiting on you a your fligh. There is
01:13:08
the dark winter in Michigan.With that,
01:13:13
thank you very much. Appreciate your
01:13:15
time.
01:13:16
>> Thank you.>> I'll turn it over to
01:13:19
Dave Wilber with Turner construction.
01:13:27
>> Hello. Thank you for having us. My
01:13:35
name is P Peter Ramstad vice president
01:13:36
and executive with Turner construction.
01:13:37
I'm here with also Dave Wilber to talk
01:13:38
about what we have to offer. Turner a
01:13:41
little bit about Turner. Turner is a
01:13:43
118-year-old construction company,
01:13:46
number one general builder in the US.
01:13:50
Number one construction manager at risk
01:13:51
builder in use number one pre-builder
01:13:53
in the US. Depending on the air, you
01:13:56
will see we are usually the top
01:13:58
aviation builders in the year as well.
01:13:59
As far as aviation like Turner we have
01:14:06
over 25 active aviation projects right
01:14:07
now underway for not to go through all
01:14:08
the rest of the numbers, we will leave
01:14:12
that you but in particular to all these
01:14:13
various projects we have, we also do a
01:14:15
lot of baggage handling as well.
01:14:18
Aviation experience: we have
01:14:21
experienced from coast to coast with
01:14:22
every major airport in the US. Several
01:14:27
airports internationally as well.
01:14:28
Locally within Texas we have
01:14:29
experienced at DFW San Antonio and
01:14:31
Houston. We of course like the bigger
01:14:47
projects because they're more complex
01:14:48
but we don't just do the terminals. We
01:14:49
also do some of the smaller municipal
01:14:50
airports and also some of the general
01:14:51
aviation projects as well. So what
01:14:52
Turner has to offer is a wide variety
01:14:53
of flexibility, scalability, depending
01:14:54
on which the city of McKinney needs.
01:14:55
Not justto all the terminals but we
01:14:57
also do lab specialties stuff as well.
01:14:58
We have experience with the aircraft
01:15:00
rescue and firefighting facilities.
01:15:04
Aprons, runways, taxiways, and of
01:15:06
course,the fixed base operations that
01:15:16
are required at some municipal
01:15:17
airports. We also do some of the
01:15:18
general evasion projects as well. So I
01:15:19
went to give you a broad overview of
01:15:20
Turner what we have to offer and with
01:15:21
that I'll turned over to with Dave
01:15:22
Wilber to talk about our engagement on
01:15:25
our side and our minority plans. Thank
01:15:33
you
01:15:34
>> Good afternoon. I am Dave Wilber
01:15:35
vice president operations manager for
01:15:36
North Texas office.. I been with Turner
01:15:37
for 39 years. The last 26 years here in
01:15:47
Dallas. We do talk a little bit about
01:15:48
the contracting method and or
01:15:49
construction approach. So we would the
01:15:50
majority of our work is-- risk which is
01:15:51
being proposed here. Our approach to
01:15:56
that is fully open book. Anything we
01:15:57
have shared with all the participants.
01:15:58
We work activelywith the design
01:16:00
partners in our development partners to
01:16:01
make sure that the cost to design
01:16:07
stays what it is budgeted and ensures
01:16:08
that we finish up that way. And we
01:16:15
provide a price and commitment
01:16:16
guarantee to the developer as well to
01:16:17
the city to this process. One other
01:16:21
thing you heard about our size. We
01:16:22
bring national buying power and
01:16:23
national leverage to ensure that
01:16:25
performance. So to answer question
01:16:26
about minority approach, so we have a
01:16:30
commitment regardless of the contract
01:16:33
that we have a commitment to hire local
01:16:36
minority and women owned businesses.
01:16:38
And that is part of our - - that's a
01:16:52
focus in active strategy on every one
01:16:53
of our projects and we will bring that
01:16:54
here. You will hear a little more about
01:16:55
it but we have outreach events for
01:16:56
local businesses minority and women
01:16:57
owned businesses to ensure the project
01:16:58
is packaged correctly to facilitate
01:16:59
their use. We give and we done it for
01:17:00
the last 51 years,a training program
01:17:01
every yearfor local and historically
01:17:10
underutilized minority women owned
01:17:11
businesses call Turner school of
01:17:12
construction management. It's a 13 week
01:17:13
program that goes through the different
01:17:16
aspects of what could be safety, it
01:17:17
could be scheduling, it could be a
01:17:18
business development plan It gives
01:17:28
smaller firms, educates them and give
01:17:29
them greater capacity to work on our
01:17:30
projects as well as other projects.
01:17:31
That something we have been doing for
01:17:32
51 years. What we also --
01:17:33
I mentioned to you, we have a
01:17:35
commitment regardless of the contract
01:17:38
type, to utilize minority local and
01:17:39
women owned businesses historically
01:17:46
underutilized businesses. This is just
01:17:47
a graph to show some local projects
01:17:48
that are recent that we have exceeded
01:17:49
the goals that were set for that
01:17:51
particular project in that utilization.
01:17:54
So I hope I answered your question.
01:17:56
>> Thank you. I appreciate it.
01:18:03
>> Mayor members of city CouncilBob to
01:18:06
local attorney. I can havesummary
01:18:11
presenting so without speaking ears I'm
01:18:12
going to take just a few minutes. This
01:18:13
has been - - in this project has been
01:18:14
in the works actually since 2007. The
01:18:18
first time around, we got right up to
01:18:22
the [inaudible] and 4-3 vote city
01:18:27
Council decided it wasn't the right
01:18:28
time. Since that time, to the present,
01:18:30
the numbers of employment in this area
01:18:33
have grown astronomically. The amount
01:18:36
of economic development in the Collin
01:18:39
County and North part of the Metroplex
01:18:42
has also grown exponentially. So we
01:18:48
decided we would come back around this
01:18:50
time. What you have seen before you
01:18:54
today with the people that made the
01:18:55
presentation, are not welterweight's,
01:18:58
Mr. Rogers. These are heavyweights in
01:19:01
the industry. Pegasus has put together
01:19:05
a team here that I don't think can be
01:19:06
matched by anybody at any time anywhere
01:19:15
for this project. It is a unique
01:19:16
project. It's a public-private project.
01:19:17
It's unit project in that the private
01:19:18
sector, my clients are going to pay the
01:19:20
way was up they are going to get their
01:19:22
money back through revenue bonds,
01:19:26
revenue financing which is a very
01:19:27
typical infrastructure financing
01:19:29
mechanism. So this is not pie in the
01:19:33
sky. This is a reality. It just on a
01:19:35
bigger scale for different type of
01:19:38
project than what we are used to. So I
01:19:39
urge you to move forward on this project
01:19:47
with haste because of all the reasons
01:19:48
that have been presented to you before.
01:19:49
And I'm going to turn it over to Joe -
01:19:50
- to wrap up.
01:19:58
>> Thank you Mr. Roeder. We have about
01:19:59
12 minutes, 30 seconds left for
01:20:06
questions. And I'm not going to stand
01:20:07
here and pretend to be able to answer
01:20:08
all of those. So if you will direct
01:20:09
your questions to the desk we will get
01:20:11
the expert to answer the question time
01:20:13
permitting.
01:20:14
>> Thank you. I'm going to yield my
01:20:18
time since [inaudible] presentation
01:20:21
from first letter of page since last
01:20:23
letter page. By the time I finished
01:20:27
talking this is going to give each
01:20:31
councilmember two minutes to ask
01:20:32
questions and get an answer. And I
01:20:35
really apologize. Stop the clock if you
01:20:36
would for a second. I want to apologize
01:20:37
to you guys.. This is - - this
01:20:41
meeting was supposed to be just of
01:20:42
course this issue subject and I know
01:20:43
people have flown here around the
01:20:46
country to be here to present which is
01:20:49
a big deal. This a huge thing for the
01:20:50
city of McKinney for it to be
01:20:54
considered to have it rushed, and have
01:20:55
it in this environment is very very
01:21:05
[inaudible]. Obviously, there are
01:21:06
things happening right now across the
01:21:07
country that are very very important as
01:21:08
you know. So I'm sure you'll give us
01:21:09
the grace that you understand but does
01:21:10
not take away from the fact that I'm
01:21:11
sorry that timing has put you here at
01:21:15
this moment with everything was going on
01:21:21
attracting our attention. And rightly
01:21:22
so. So you have 12 minutes. I'll start
01:21:28
with-- each councilmember will have
01:21:29
two minutes and they are timed and once
01:21:30
the bell rings, these, to the courtesy
01:21:31
of the next council person stop the
01:21:35
answer. Then I'm in encourage everyone
01:21:40
here this is a very important subject,
01:21:41
we will be able to - - everybody ill
01:21:44
be able to put cautions together and
01:21:45
email them. I ask you that everyone is
01:21:49
opportune because of the former
01:21:50
questions that you could possibly ask
01:21:51
you in two minutes. Probably a futile
01:21:52
exercise to do it anyway but this is
01:21:56
very important. I think much of the
01:21:58
information in the presentation are
01:22:04
questions answered earlier of course
01:22:05
very much already answered the
01:22:08
presentation but there will be other
01:22:09
questions. That are not in the
01:22:10
presentation. So you will coordinate
01:22:11
every what opportunity to assemble
01:22:14
questions. I'm sure there will be many
01:22:20
and you guys will be respond that way.
01:22:21
Mark, of course we will make sure that
01:22:29
[inaudible] so, sorry to council. Sorry
01:22:30
to the people presenting. Sorry for
01:22:31
those who have waited but I will yield
01:22:32
my time. We will start the clock. Two
01:22:40
minutes on each. If you want to start
01:22:41
you can if not I'll start at the other
01:22:42
end.
01:22:43
>> I will start. I guess I'm not going
01:22:44
to apologize to you guys since I'm new
01:22:49
to the space when dealing with rich
01:22:53
folks. So I apologize you guys for that.
01:22:58
But when I sit on the council and I see
01:23:01
the deferential treatment two
01:23:08
different presenters, when I see rich
01:23:09
folks coming here and you get the red
01:23:12
carpet rolled out and you get apologize
01:23:14
to, I'm not used to that kind of
01:23:16
treatment. Because as a councilmember
01:23:20
you are a presenter like no other
01:23:22
presenter. And when I have questions I
01:23:25
get to ask you guys the questions and
01:23:30
I'm entitled to get answers because I
01:23:31
was elected by my constituents to ask
01:23:35
those questions and get the answers. So
01:23:38
I apologize if for some reason I
01:23:43
disrespected you all for having the
01:23:45
audacity to ask a question that I do
01:23:47
not have the answer to. So I am sorry
01:23:50
if you feltsome [inaudible] about that
01:23:56
and for some reason the mayor believes
01:23:58
that different people get different
01:23:59
treatment when they walk into this
01:24:04
council chambers. That I treat
01:24:05
everybody the same.
01:24:11
Everybody to treat us the same when you
01:24:12
come here. For him to try to berate me
01:24:13
on this dais because I asked you all a
01:24:18
question that's the same treatment that
01:24:19
I give everybody. No matter the amount
01:24:21
of salary that you make. No matter the
01:24:26
title that you hold. So I am sorry and
01:24:29
forgive me for asking or thinking that
01:24:31
I'm entitled to the samerespect of
01:24:34
being a councilmember that I deserve
01:24:39
by being elected to this position.
01:24:41
[Timer sounds]
01:24:42
>> Mr. Franklin.
01:24:47
>> I would just like to think this
01:24:48
group for coming forward. I remember
01:24:55
seeing this project in 2007. I don't
01:24:56
know if it's the same group that you
01:24:57
put together this time, but it's very
01:25:00
impressive. There has been a need here.
01:25:04
I've seen his need for a long time. I'm
01:25:07
glad you are back and I'm hoping that
01:25:08
in the future we can do something good.
01:25:13
That's all I have.
01:25:20
>> Mr. Frazier.
01:25:21
>> Yes. I have a few questions. Thank
01:25:22
you guys for coming and especially
01:25:23
during Covid. Most people are wanting
01:25:28
to stay home and not move because of
01:25:29
this. Thank you for coming to our city.
01:25:30
Hope you enjoy as much dummies you have
01:25:31
here. I know many of the phones here. I
01:25:32
know Bob [inaudible] so I think he's
01:25:35
the only one that works in the
01:25:38
department. My question is, what are
01:25:40
some of the areas or I guess, nation my
01:25:43
project that are similar to ours that
01:25:45
you have worked on and comparable to
01:25:52
what we are about to do or what we are
01:25:53
wanting to do here and who is your main
01:25:54
competitor on the same type of
01:25:55
projects? [inaudible].
01:26:06
>> I will be able to answer by the
01:26:09
competitor. Sorry about that but we are
01:26:10
doing several - - as Peter mentioned
01:26:12
we do large airports but we do several
01:26:15
exactly like this. Smaller municipal
01:26:16
and I think the last one that was on,
01:26:20
when of our slides was $75 million,
01:26:25
eight gate one or two runway project
01:26:28
that's very comparable. We are doing
01:26:31
one in Albany right now. There's been
01:26:34
several.
01:26:39
>> Is that complete it?
01:26:40
>> I'm going to have to follow up and
01:26:41
get that answer for you.
01:26:42
>> Okay. I think Bob has something
01:26:43
behind you.
01:26:45
>> I was going to add that the
01:26:55
construction project themselves, you
01:26:56
will see replicated into brocade
01:26:57
throughout the United States. It's
01:26:58
really the financing mechanism that's a
01:26:59
little unique here, in that this is an
01:27:00
infrastructure financing project and so
01:27:04
maybe Todd can get up and speak to the
01:27:05
type of this real quickly.
01:27:16
>> Intestine seconds or less.
01:27:17
>> So, we specialize adjust to Dacian
01:27:18
assets. That's what we do from parking
01:27:19
to aircraft to ports to all sorts of
01:27:20
things that involve seal in an air and
01:27:21
while it's unusual [Timer sounds]
01:27:23
It's not out of the realm of what's
01:27:24
being done. >> Thank you. Mayor pro tem.
01:27:28
>> I have a load of questions. If you
01:27:32
could figure out some - - email me
01:27:34
and let me know who to talk to. I like
01:27:37
to know the finances on the benefits to
01:27:41
the city and financing aspects and all
01:27:43
that stuff. I be very interested in
01:27:44
that. So whoever can up with that if
01:27:46
you will give me [inaudible] a number
01:27:50
or email?
01:27:51
>> Yes. Mark will set up a method for
01:27:53
us to do that where it's accessible to
01:27:57
the entire public?
01:28:13
>> Yes.
01:28:14
>> Mr. Rogers, just quickly, of course
01:28:15
I'll do that and be happy to do that.
01:28:16
Bottom-line is, we are not looking for
01:28:17
the city McKinney to put one dollar,
01:28:18
one penny, into the project. What we
01:28:19
are looking for is the opportunity to
01:28:20
earn back over a period of time through
01:28:21
a long-term management agreement the
01:28:22
investment that is being made. Much of
01:28:23
the investment is going to be payback
01:28:24
to federal passenger facility charges
01:28:26
that are collected each time a person
01:28:29
buys a ticket into plain from air.
01:28:36
Other revenues we used to pay back the
01:28:37
debt will be concessions, rentals, and
01:28:38
all that other kind of stuff. The
01:28:39
common activity that you see in every
01:28:40
airport.
01:28:42
>> So, my biggest fear with all of this
01:28:44
is you are doing this, getting all your
01:28:47
financing and stuff like that, and it
01:28:50
fails to the point where we have big
01:28:51
buildings and an airport. Are there
01:28:58
projects out there that were failed to
01:28:59
a point where there just boarded up?
01:29:01
>> Not to our knowledge. I will say
01:29:03
this, you guys are not going to
01:29:13
underwrite this anywhere close to what
01:29:14
national alliances going to underwrite
01:29:15
this to, and if they are comfortable
01:29:16
with it moving forward I'm going to bet
01:29:17
on their due diligence, that the
01:29:18
chances of this being a dark building
01:29:19
after it's been done are slim to none.
01:29:20
>> Okay. Thank you.
01:29:22
>> Councilmembers, I have two, three
01:29:29
questions. In the era of Covid, we have
01:29:33
things that are in progress. Is there a
01:29:35
example where you are building a
01:29:38
special environment, especially
01:29:41
designed to handle Covid and the needs
01:29:43
we have our potential new airport?
01:29:50
>> As I said, in the presentation but
01:30:01
we do have a research group that's
01:30:02
continually working on this. It's a new
01:30:03
problem. But we have been working for
01:30:04
it on it a long time. It's evolving as
01:30:05
we go along and we also have to go back
01:30:13
it was some of our other facilities and
01:30:14
re-look at this with some of our
01:30:15
clients but I can get you more
01:30:16
specifics on the items that we are
01:30:17
working on the direction we are going
01:30:18
to you guys can see that if you let me
01:30:19
get that information and get it back
01:30:20
over to you.
01:30:21
>> That would be great. I be
01:30:22
interested in what's going on right now
01:30:23
in the progress, research is great but
01:30:24
that will explain what that might look
01:30:29
like to our citizens when they go out
01:30:30
to visit, that would be a tremendous
01:30:31
help.
01:30:32
>> Yes. No problem.
01:30:33
>> Thank you.
01:30:38
>> Mr. Phelps.
01:30:39
>> Like to know the complete legal
01:30:40
name of Pegasus and where you are
01:30:41
[inaudible] looking at Pegasus across
01:30:42
the country. Also, if you have FAA
01:30:49
clearance for the second runway and are
01:30:50
you going to build that runway first?
01:30:57
Before anything else is built because
01:30:58
that's the way I would like to see it
01:30:59
done. Finally, I like to know about the
01:31:00
acquisition of land. Are you not going
01:31:01
to need the city to come into eminent
01:31:08
domain proceedings in order to obtain a
01:31:09
property?
01:31:10
>> We start from the back and it were
01:31:11
to the front if I could to the
01:31:12
councilmember. We more than likely will
01:31:14
need the city of McKinney's eminent
01:31:15
domain assistance in doing that. Part
01:31:16
of our presentation and part of the
01:31:19
term sheet we submitted back 2.5 years
01:31:22
ago to the city indicated that we would
01:31:25
pay the boat for that but we would
01:31:27
probably need to have certain cases,
01:31:30
the city's eminent domain capability. I
01:31:38
thought it was can be real smart and
01:31:39
take the first one. The crosswind
01:31:49
runway. No. We plan to start with the
01:31:50
existing runway. We will have to build
01:31:51
on the side of it. The crosswind runway
01:31:52
would be a runway that would be built
01:31:54
in probably the second phase or at
01:31:56
least as phase 1 but timed after
01:32:00
commercial services already start up on
01:32:01
the main runway. Again, we have got to
01:32:05
acquire the land to do that because it
01:32:06
stretches further to the southeast.
01:32:09
That's one of the reasons but we
01:32:10
believe that with a smaller footprint
01:32:13
of land acquisition we can put a new
01:32:19
taxiway on the Eastside the current
01:32:20
runway and put all the hard side that
01:32:24
we need and we can get commercial
01:32:25
passenger service started.
01:32:26
>> [Speaker off microphone]
01:32:30
>> It will be in the future. We hope
01:32:32
not well. It depends on the acquisition
01:32:38
of the land and of courses in the Lake
01:32:39
Lavon areas we probably have some
01:32:40
environmental issues and all that kind
01:32:41
of stuff.
01:32:42
>> We have clearance - - [Timer
01:32:44
sounds]
01:32:45
>> We do not because we have not gone
01:32:46
to the FAA yet. As you look at the
01:32:52
charts, the FAA is about three, four
01:32:53
steps down the ladder. We don't think
01:32:54
there will be any issue.
01:32:55
>> Thank you.
01:32:57
>> [Speaker off microphone]
01:33:00
>> The legal name just for everyone's
01:33:03
edification
01:33:04
>> It is, Pegasus Associates. I don't
01:33:09
know whether it is an LLC. It's been in
01:33:10
a mill so long it might be that we need
01:33:14
to renew the charter but right now,
01:33:15
it's out there just for the purpose of
01:33:17
putting this group together.
01:33:22
>> It's a Texas corporation.
01:33:23
>> It would be Texas, yes.
01:33:26
>> [Speaker off microphone]
01:33:27
>> No it would not be Chicago.
01:33:30
>> Bob, thank you. Probably nobody
01:33:32
misinterpreted anything treating you
01:33:35
differently or [inaudible]. I have no
01:33:37
idea. What I do know I apologize to you
01:33:39
and everyone in the room for waiting.
01:33:51
>> [Technical delay]I think all that is
01:34:07
tremendously important for the side.
01:34:08
It's a huge priority. Is been part of
01:34:09
my platform before I [inaudible] so I'm
01:34:14
excited you guys are here. Thank you
01:34:15
for being here. Again I do apologize
01:34:16
for being rushed. Mark will consult
01:34:19
with you, Bob and it's important that
01:34:22
everybody in the general public to
01:34:27
[inaudible].. There is - - if the
01:34:32
board to have questions asked and
01:34:33
answered in the settings so the public
01:34:35
in here. Being that-- we will have to
01:34:40
figure out it we done so let everyone
01:34:41
know watching that it will be in a
01:34:42
format that everybody can view the
01:34:44
questions at that each to brass and
01:34:48
what those answers are. I don't know we
01:34:49
have done that in the past I'm sure
01:34:50
smart people can figure it out.
01:34:53
>> [Speaker off microphone]
01:34:54
>> We might use a website and create
01:35:01
an open forum page that will be
01:35:02
accessible by councilmembers. Okay. We
01:35:03
will work that out for everyone out
01:35:04
there all those questions will be asked
01:35:07
and answered and open information. So
01:35:08
thank you, guys very much.
01:35:09
>> Thank you.
01:35:10
>> Thank you.
01:35:11
>> Safe travel. All right. We are now
01:35:18
going to go to citizen comments. I need
01:35:22
to understand how many citizen comments
01:35:23
do we have? That will determine we
01:35:26
have for each commentor.
01:35:37
>> [Speaker off microphone]
01:35:38
>> Has everybody outside that once you
01:35:39
speak today and they filled out a
01:35:40
comment card? Is there any about their
01:35:41
if you can raise your aunt if you've
01:35:42
not filled out a comments card and you
01:35:43
want to speak?
01:35:44
>> [Speaker off microphone]
01:35:45
>> You want to speak? You want to
01:35:48
speak?
01:35:49
>> [Speaker off microphone]
01:35:51
>> All right. Is there anybody else?
01:35:54
Okay.We are going to take a 2-minute break.
01:35:56
>> >> [Recess]
01:36:04
>> All right. We are going to move to
01:36:07
citizen comments. We have 23 here to
01:36:10
speak. We have a number of cards with
01:36:15
comments that are not going to speak
01:36:16
and we have at least 23 comments that
01:36:21
were cemented online that we are going
01:36:22
to read. That we have to read today. In
01:36:23
the future, so everyone has noticed, in
01:36:25
the future, comments that are entered
01:36:31
online will be of record. They will be
01:36:32
visible of able to any and everybody
01:36:33
but they will not be read. Now, we may
01:36:37
make an exception to that if there is
01:36:40
an item, if there's one or two comments
01:36:42
but in general, plan on any comments
01:36:47
submitted online will not be read live
01:36:50
during the meeting. They will be posted.
01:36:53
Today there was not - - that was not
01:37:01
conveyed to people. I don't think
01:37:02
appropriate Lisa we are going to read
01:37:03
every single comment. That gives us 47
01:37:06
people. As everyone knows there's a
01:37:07
time constraint today so two minutes. I
01:37:10
will call your name and also give the
01:37:13
next person that is up. So if you
01:37:18
would please, once you come up and
01:37:19
speak and I'll call your name before
01:37:20
the person begins the second person if
01:37:21
you will come and stand right here
01:37:25
inside the door, right at the door
01:37:27
ready that would be helpful and it will
01:37:30
be - - everyone will have the time to
01:37:33
speak. We are now - - take this card
01:37:49
whenever there is the we know other
01:37:50
cards accepted today. However, if
01:37:51
you're unable to speak you can also go
01:37:53
online and make sure those comments are
01:37:54
entered as well. So members of this
01:37:58
will be the last card accepted. Again,
01:38:02
anyone wanting to make a comment you
01:38:03
can do so online and it will be part of
01:38:06
the record and available for the
01:38:08
entirety. I will start with, those who
01:38:14
filled out a card and you don't wish to
01:38:17
speak. Brent Callan has stated that she
01:38:20
wishes or supports remove the
01:38:24
Throckmorton statue. Kriesberg Casper
01:38:28
is in support of removing the
01:38:31
Throckmorton statue. Andy Watkins is in
01:38:34
support for removing the Throckmorton
01:38:38
statue. Natalie Bassett, is in
01:38:42
opposition to removing the statue.
01:38:46
Though I hope I did not get that wrong.
01:38:51
The box for opposition is checked
01:38:52
within it says, just remove statue, so
01:38:57
Natalie, I apologize if I got your
01:38:58
comment wrong. Joel Ortega opposition
01:39:02
against forming a committee for the
01:39:05
removal of statue. I'm guessing that
01:39:08
means he wants the can statue removed.
01:39:14
Still unfortunately the same list of my
01:39:17
speakers. Unless Mark Doty is planning
01:39:20
on speaking? I'm doing public comments
01:39:22
right now. Rolando McCarty and also the
01:39:27
Rolando will be misty walk. So
01:39:30
Rolando McCarty followed by Misty Cook.
01:39:38
Evening everyone. I would just like to
01:39:39
take the time to re-Luke chapter 18 it
01:39:45
says and Jesus told his disciples a
01:39:46
parable to show them that they should
01:39:47
always pray and not give up. He said,
01:39:49
in a certain town there was a judge.
01:39:52
And he neither feared God nor cared
01:39:56
about men. And there was a widow in
01:39:58
that town kept coming to them with a
01:40:00
plea, grant me justice against my
01:40:02
adversary. For some time you refuse but
01:40:07
finally he said to himself, even though
01:40:08
I don't fear God or care about men, yet
01:40:15
because this widow keeps bothering me I
01:40:16
will see that she gets justice. So that
01:40:17
she won't eventually wear me out by her
01:40:19
continuously coming. And the Lord said,
01:40:20
listen to what the unjust judge says.
01:40:23
And will not God, not bring about
01:40:27
justice for his chosen ones who cry out
01:40:28
to him day and night? Will he keep
01:40:30
putting them off? I tell you, he will
01:40:34
see that they get justice and quickly.
01:40:37
However when the Son of Man comes he
01:40:42
will find [inaudible]. I bring this to
01:40:43
you guys because whether you believe in
01:40:44
a just God or not, he is. And he is God
01:40:49
and he is a God of justice. Whether you
01:40:50
care about what people think about what
01:40:51
you think about the Throckmorton
01:41:00
statue, or God himself it doesn't
01:41:01
matter. It doesn't change the truth
01:41:02
that God is and he is a God of justice.
01:41:03
There is no way we do not see the
01:41:08
wrongdoing that is going on in this
01:41:09
community. We can act like we don't see
01:41:10
it we can act like it doesn't exist but
01:41:12
we are not blind. Not either of us in
01:41:15
here are blind to what is happening..
01:41:19
Globally, nationally and locally. It is
01:41:25
happening and God will not sit by idly
01:41:26
and watch us just continue, continue to
01:41:31
oppress those that cannot speak for
01:41:32
themselves. To continue to deny justice
01:41:33
to those who cannot do it for
01:41:37
themselves. How dare we behave in such
01:41:39
a manner? Any of us that call
01:41:45
ourselves Christians and we do not
01:41:46
stand up for righteousness [Timer
01:41:47
sounds] We are wrong.
01:41:48
>> Misty hook >> [Applause] Followed
01:41:50
by Elizabeth Martin. When you come up
01:41:52
please state your name and address and
01:41:57
if I get asked people do not applaud.
01:41:58
It will give people more time to speak.
01:42:03
Michael will be next.
01:42:04
>> It's Michelle.
01:42:05
>> Michelle so sorry.
01:42:08
>> I Misty hook I live in McKinney.
01:42:09
I'm actually here to speak for my sister
01:42:12
Julie Lewton who wishes she could be
01:42:13
our butts and with her daughter and in
01:42:15
my drug surgical percent [inaudible]
01:42:20
president of McKinney Democrat once you
01:42:21
know the bull word fully support your
01:42:23
comments today. James Throckmorton was
01:42:24
a doctor governor and soldier. These
01:42:29
things are not intimate. He was also a
01:42:30
Brig. Gen. for the Confederacy and
01:42:31
refused while governor to support the
01:42:38
14th amendment. Then was removed from
01:42:39
office of these things are also not
01:42:40
intimate. The statue is not erected
01:42:41
during his tenure as governor he was
01:42:44
erected decades later attempt to
01:42:45
whitewash and yes, I use that term
01:42:46
intentionally, the harm suffered by
01:42:49
black Americans during slavery. It was
01:42:50
also erected as a warning black
01:42:52
citizens basically saying we still
01:42:53
don't believe you are our equals and
01:43:00
demonstrate that we will erect statues
01:43:02
to people but to keep you enslaved.
01:43:03
Just a sick, US Sen. Tom Cotten said in
01:43:04
an interview slavery was a,, quote
01:43:07
unquote, necessary evil subs we've not
01:43:08
yet overcome generations of racism.
01:43:09
After weeks of debate including the
01:43:13
abrupt adjournment of the city Council
01:43:14
meeting last week, the statue continues
01:43:20
to so unrest division and anger. I
01:43:21
asked that be removed immediately.
01:43:22
Moved to Collin County history Museum
01:43:25
or some similar location work restored
01:43:26
until other arrangements are made into
01:43:30
appropriate plaques can give Todd
01:43:31
context of the statue which, bottom
01:43:35
line is recognition for a man who
01:43:36
fought on the side of armies that
01:43:37
seceded from our country the United
01:43:44
States of America, rather than allow
01:43:45
fellow human means to free free. Just
01:43:46
days ago the city Council of
01:43:47
Gainesville Texas where father lives,
01:43:50
voted to remove a Confederate statue
01:43:51
from the public park. McKinney should
01:43:52
do no less. Moving the statute
01:43:53
immediately is the least we can do.
01:43:54
Jumpy up for discussion. What should be
01:43:55
up for discussion is how we can
01:43:59
address the systemic racism that still
01:44:00
exists McKinney today for the bow can
01:44:08
leverage our government for the good of
01:44:09
all residents know we convince a
01:44:10
business resident people considering
01:44:11
moving your that we recognize our past
01:44:12
and betrayed a better future for
01:44:13
McKinney. Thank you.
01:44:15
>> Elizabeth Michelle and then
01:44:16
followed be Tammy Morton.
01:44:22
>> Good afternoon councilmembers. I
01:44:23
want to address the last city Council
01:44:24
meeting for the abrupt ending was very
01:44:25
confusing. Especially given that this
01:44:29
time it's a white guy that's been
01:44:30
intimidating and yet we have not
01:44:35
adjourned. Mayor Fullers video
01:44:36
entitled, what really happened and his
01:44:40
comments and responses were discussing
01:44:41
an embarrassing and infuriating to me.
01:44:44
So let's get to some of the lies. Lie
01:44:45
number one, as councilmember Shemwell
01:44:51
quoted, told people to be there ready to
01:44:53
meet violence with violence. The truth
01:44:54
is, McKinney resident with a large
01:44:55
white supremacist following made a
01:44:57
video asking his people to come to the
01:44:59
city Council meeting that night and
01:45:04
speak in defense of the statue and
01:45:05
remove Shemwell. This led to violent
01:45:07
threats towards councilmembers and
01:45:08
councilmember's response and I quote,
01:45:12
come out. Come holler at me. You keep
01:45:13
bringing heat from McKinney for that we
01:45:14
can be force with force,, or, and you
01:45:18
see this is the part you left out, you
01:45:23
can start listening to our concerns
01:45:24
about justice and harmony and we can
01:45:27
work together. My number two, Fuller
01:45:32
said and I quote, we have people with
01:45:33
guns and other weapons blocking the
01:45:37
entrance stop blocking the entrance to
01:45:43
City Hall in the front of the truth is
01:45:44
no one was blocking engines with guns.
01:45:45
If anyone was they were many many
01:45:46
police nearby that could've assisted
01:45:47
and they were not . This does the
01:45:49
second to amendment only applied to
01:45:51
white people? Lie number four and I'll
01:45:58
say I personally think this one is the
01:45:59
most egregious. In your video said it
01:46:00
and I quote, we are going to conduct
01:46:01
business based on intimidation and
01:46:02
threats. Not in McKinney. The truth is
01:46:03
that is precisely why the statue was
01:46:04
erected in the first place. In 1911.
01:46:05
During the height of KKK terrorism. To
01:46:06
intimidate and to threaten. Should
01:46:09
McKinney continue to operate in the
01:46:12
same way? But this relic of the past
01:46:13
and storage immediately while the
01:46:14
committee does its work. Cover it up.
01:46:20
Like they did in Nashua North Carolina.
01:46:21
Don't delay just another five months
01:46:24
for [inaudible] I stand with
01:46:25
councilmember Shemwell. >> [Applause]
01:46:29
>> [inaudible]
01:46:35
>> I will not get clapping but I think
01:46:36
you guys need to be aware of how much
01:46:37
it cost to move the statue and I'll
01:46:38
just leave it at that. On the low and
01:46:39
it's $100,000 for the fencing work is
01:46:41
20,000, train rigging transport 26,000,
01:46:57
stone assembly disassembly worked
01:46:58
20,000 validation were 20,003 were
01:46:59
10,000. Excavation foundation work
01:47:00
6000. Total cost, 90,003 8410. I've got
01:47:01
the numbers if you want them. That's on
01:47:02
the low end. I will let you know the
01:47:13
[inaudible] they spent 100,000 for that
01:47:14
one for the Kentucky moving the
01:47:15
Jefferson Davis that you cost $225,000
01:47:16
for the two statues in Charlottesville
01:47:17
Virginia cost 700,000. The Robert E Lee
01:47:18
statue in Dallas cost 450,000 now,
01:47:19
that being said I'm very sympathetic to
01:47:28
members of our blackberry and request
01:47:29
to remove symbols of racism. I don't
01:47:30
want to be part of any community that
01:47:31
embraces racism. My concern is the cost
01:47:32
in a covered year. We business
01:47:33
shuttering included black on business.
01:47:34
My concern is there's many people not
01:47:35
here in McKinney that may have your head
01:47:39
if you spend 500,000 200,000 above the
01:47:40
statue at this time this year. That is
01:47:41
my concern with the time I have left,.
01:47:47
I would also say I was very
01:47:48
disappointed in your video. Either is
01:47:49
extremely racist. I think we have - -
01:47:51
we have something we need to decide as
01:47:54
a communityfrom now until November
01:47:59
until we what we do. I think we have
01:48:00
more than one problem up there. >>
01:48:01
[Applause]
01:48:02
>> Ron [inaudible] followed by Julie
01:48:06
needs.
01:48:25
>> [inaudible] how about me? If I can
01:48:29
have that, why can I have this? If I
01:48:34
can do that, why can you have your
01:48:35
flags you are talking about? Or, that
01:48:39
statue? Or, the statue of Mary with a
01:48:40
head on it? Or the churches, with
01:48:45
stained-glass? It's not that you hate
01:48:47
this flag. Is that you hate America.
01:48:51
That is exactly what you're trying
01:48:54
tear down is America. You know what,
01:48:58
first they came to the flag than the
01:48:59
statues but after that they came for
01:49:03
us. You are talking about socialism.
01:49:08
[Background noise] Why do you need an
01:49:09
airport? You're going to see what
01:49:14
socialism is like big that is where you
01:49:17
are going. I've got plenty of time
01:49:20
left. You know what, this is all
01:49:22
impromptu. I do not know. Last night I
01:49:25
was out on my corner appear in Plano
01:49:30
and there was a car pulled up. Two
01:49:31
people came out and looked at the car
01:49:32
and I said, that guy crashed or
01:49:34
something. So I thought, finally, I'm
01:49:36
going to walk out on that street at
01:49:38
nighttime with this and go see what's
01:49:40
going on with that guy. He was
01:49:46
overdosing. The policeman came over and
01:49:47
told me. We gave him night just,
01:49:48
something or other. We just saved his
01:49:52
life. Good Samaritan. You know what, it
01:49:55
was in my calendar this came up. I
01:50:03
thought the meeting was at 8 PM. I just
01:50:05
came down. I do not know if they were
01:50:06
asking us about the statue. God sent me
01:50:11
down here. God sent me last night over
01:50:12
there to say that boys life. God
01:50:14
semi-down here today hopefully to save
01:50:19
the whole country. Because that is what
01:50:24
we have to do. None of you have got
01:50:25
enough to say, no to the devil. I
01:50:33
rebuke youin the name of Jesus. That's
01:50:34
what I say. I rebuke you by the blood.
01:50:37
[Timer sounds]
01:50:38
>> Your time is up. Gerald Williams
01:50:40
followed by [inaudible].
01:50:42
>> Goodbye.
01:50:44
>> Jolie Williams, McKinney resident.
01:50:49
I just want to say, this is absolutely
01:50:53
absurd and discussing what I'm saying
01:50:58
here. No matter which side you are on,
01:50:59
I've seen ugliness and discussing
01:51:01
statements that are absolutely
01:51:03
horrible. I wish that we continue
01:51:10
through and there's nothing you can say
01:51:11
that is going to change what happened.
01:51:12
That we can stick to the subject of our
01:51:13
point is there a diversity counsel big
01:51:16
diversity counsel where people can
01:51:17
civilly have a conversation about what
01:51:19
is going on. The - - why is
01:51:27
Throckmorton here what is the
01:51:28
significance our community? Why is it
01:51:29
offensive to some? People need to
01:51:32
understand that with people screaming
01:51:33
back and forth at each other, we are
01:51:34
not hearing any of that. We need civil
01:51:39
conversations but this is a mess and
01:51:40
discussing and I wish you could move
01:51:42
forward and if there's nothing you can
01:51:49
say [inaudible] anybody else's mine in
01:51:50
the room so please, be civil and move
01:51:51
forward and get this done. Thank you.
01:51:52
>> Thank you. Ken Holloway followed by
01:51:56
Jennifer [inaudible].
01:51:57
>> Thanks, Mayor. Councilmembers, my
01:52:05
name is Kenneth Holloway a resident and
01:52:06
10 708 Patton Dr. here in McKinney
01:52:10
Texas. Mr. Shemwell I want to say,
01:52:12
first, it appreciate your
01:52:16
acknowledgment of the flag and that's
01:52:17
how offensive to many in the room. Your
01:52:18
comments were definitely noble and
01:52:19
notable for that but unfortunately they
01:52:24
really did - - you failed to execute
01:52:25
upon your absolute power as you
01:52:26
proclaim to have it removed and that in
01:52:34
itself is equally hurtful. If you're
01:52:35
tell me you have the ability and the
01:52:36
power to remove something because you
01:52:37
recognize that it is hurtful to many
01:52:39
and you failed to exercise that right
01:52:40
to do so, you are no better off. That's
01:52:46
implicit in itself. So I want to say
01:52:47
you are the executive of the city. With
01:52:51
that comes great responsibility and
01:52:52
tremendous leadership Mr. Mayor. This
01:52:59
city, as well as the rest of this
01:53:05
country is a tinderbox right now. I
01:53:06
think we can all reckon is that. Your
01:53:07
words matter. The words do matter for
01:53:08
the you carry a lot of influence as
01:53:09
mayor of McKinney and as a new resident
01:53:10
McKinney about a year, 14 months here,
01:53:13
I have to let you know disappointed in
01:53:14
your leadership from what I've
01:53:15
witnessed over the past 14 months. I
01:53:16
watched your videothat you put out in
01:53:18
response to the last Tuesday's meetings
01:53:20
and I'm convinced that either your are
01:53:31
a boldfaced liar or we don't breathe
01:53:32
the same air because I was here. I
01:53:33
walked in, nobody was blocking the
01:53:34
doors with AR 15's. They were way off
01:53:35
the street. In fact, almost at the
01:53:36
corner. I walked in nice and easy
01:53:37
nobody stop me. Not at one moment did I
01:53:42
ever feel intimidated. So when I heard
01:53:43
you say that, Mr. Mayor, it really
01:53:44
made me feel like either you are
01:53:51
disillusioned or you are intentionally
01:53:52
spewing lies. That's what leads me back
01:53:53
to the point earlier, our words
01:53:54
matter. Your words matter even more
01:53:55
because you are voted the leader of the
01:53:57
city and the city is in turmoil and we
01:53:58
need you to lead right now. And your
01:54:01
words and things that you do [Timer
01:54:04
sounds] By misrepresenting do not
01:54:05
exercise that.
01:54:06
>> Thank you. >> [Applause]
01:54:09
>> [Speaker off microphone]
01:54:15
>> Hello. I live in Blue Ridge but of
01:54:22
course McKinney is our favorite local
01:54:26
neighborhood. It is such a gem. Our
01:54:29
family go shopping in downtown quite a
01:54:30
bit and my kids were also in the
01:54:32
theater herein McKinney. A little bit
01:54:37
about my background. I am a
01:54:38
schoolteacher and move from California
01:54:40
to Memphis Tennessee where I taught in
01:54:41
and inner-city school where there was
01:54:46
only one white students and mostly
01:54:47
African-American children and a few
01:54:49
Hispanics. I was heartbroken there
01:54:50
about the disparity between the school
01:54:52
I taught at in some of the other
01:54:54
schools, the way they did it they
01:55:01
divided into two districts in one
01:55:05
district was the rich district and one
01:55:06
was the poor district I'm so grateful
01:55:07
they change that since then. But, I am
01:55:08
concerned that the cost of the statue
01:55:09
removal will affect other opportunities
01:55:10
here in McKinney. There are some
01:55:13
families that have real needs
01:55:14
especially in this time and we need to
01:55:16
help them succeed. As city Council
01:55:27
usually focus their time on helping the
01:55:28
city with economic development. When
01:55:29
the economy improves that helps
01:55:30
everyone. Another thing the city
01:55:31
Council does is plan activities to
01:55:32
build a sense of community.. How better
01:55:33
to build a feeling of love and respect
01:55:35
for all walks of life in these
01:55:37
community events. When we spend time
01:55:40
talking with a statue it will take time
01:55:44
away from building that McKinney into a
01:55:45
great place for people to live work and
01:55:46
visit and obviously, it was of an
01:55:49
economic impact on costing money to
01:55:52
remove the statue and potentially
01:55:53
storing costs. I appreciate the time
01:56:02
you are spent on our behalf and I ask
01:56:03
you to please, return your focus to the
01:56:04
things that will benefit the community
01:56:05
including all races improving the
01:56:06
development of downtown has been
01:56:12
wonderful and I can't wait to come back
01:56:13
here when the projects are completed on
01:56:14
the road construction.. Thank you so
01:56:15
much for your time.
01:56:16
>> Thank you. Bob - - followed by
01:56:20
Kathy Tamir.
01:56:24
>> Mr. Mayor, members of the council,
01:56:32
and you for let me come up here. First
01:56:34
off, I love the city. I been here for
01:56:41
30 years. I will be here for another 30
01:56:44
years if I'm lucky. One thing for sure
01:56:45
I want to stay as much as we can, as we
01:56:56
build this history of God. We want to
01:56:57
keep that history. Our graduate need to
01:56:58
know it, good or bad. If it's bad you
01:56:59
need to know about it, if it's good
01:57:00
let's go forward. Do what we can to
01:57:01
build on this city and not tear it
01:57:02
down. I am here for you in any way I
01:57:06
can help you. You are probably on that
01:57:08
committee, fine whatever you want me to
01:57:09
do, here for you a member of this city
01:57:12
and am proud to be here. I know many
01:57:15
of these people here are proud to be
01:57:16
here as well. Thanks for your time. I
01:57:20
appreciate you.
01:57:21
>> Thank you, sir. Kathy Tamir
01:57:25
followed by Tamara Johnson.
01:57:26
>> Hello city councilmembers. So,
01:57:35
sitting there, watching all of the
01:57:38
events of last Tuesdayhighly
01:57:41
disappointed in behaviors of some. But,
01:57:47
when what was so awesome about last
01:57:49
week's meeting was when there was a
01:57:51
really good presentation, discussion,
01:57:57
comments, about the duplex apartments.
01:58:00
So there was research there was an
01:58:04
assessment for the that counsel had
01:58:05
time to ask questions. Citizens had
01:58:08
time to come make their comments and a
01:58:10
unanimous decision was made not to
01:58:16
honor the request for those duplexes.
01:58:17
That is the process. So at the end of
01:58:20
the day, we need to go through the same
01:58:21
process about the statue and let the
01:58:26
city of McKinney citizens who actually
01:58:28
live here be educated on the truth
01:58:31
about the statue. Good or bad, we hear
01:58:35
all these different pieces of
01:58:41
information. What is true, what's not
01:58:42
you. People have opinions. It doesn't
01:58:43
matter. We need to fax and an unbiased
01:58:45
committee to bring this information to
01:58:47
the citizens so that all of the
01:58:49
councilmembers can communicate to their
01:58:51
constituents and so on. Then a decision
01:58:55
is made. If it comes down it comes down
01:59:01
for the great for the everybody's on
01:59:02
the same page. That's what I want to
01:59:03
see happen because that's how it should
01:59:05
happen. So in the last few seconds, I
01:59:06
want to say there's a lot but Shemwell
01:59:18
singled you all out telling you you
01:59:19
were singling him out. Not letting them
01:59:20
speak and not having whatever. In
01:59:21
essence, you were singling them out not
01:59:22
letting them represent their
01:59:25
constituents. That is exactly what
01:59:26
happened that whole fiasco that you
01:59:29
treat everyone the same, no you were
01:59:30
yelling in my face. Everybody 2000
01:59:34
people side got it on video, honey
01:59:38
[Timer sounds].
01:59:39
>> >> [Applause]
01:59:40
>> Tamara Johnsonfollowed by
01:59:48
[inaudible].
01:59:55
>> Hello council. Hello councilmember
02:00:03
Shemwell. First of all, I would really
02:00:04
like to think councilmember Shemwell
02:00:07
and Mayor Fuller for the proclamation.
02:00:09
Thank you so much councilmember
02:00:12
Shemwell for coming to celebrate with
02:00:16
us. It was amazing. The mounted police
02:00:22
were there. They lead the parade and
02:00:23
the cars went by and she had a
02:00:27
beautiful 90th birthday. So I just
02:00:30
wanted to offer that to you guys. And I
02:00:32
was going to speak about the statue. I
02:00:38
have some historical information to
02:00:42
share, but I think we already know
02:00:45
about the significance,the historical
02:00:48
significance, of the statue. What I'd
02:00:51
really like to read right now, because
02:00:58
we are not ignorant of the devils
02:01:01
devices. And because I heard someone
02:01:05
say that my black lives matter T-shirt
02:01:08
was offensive to them, and my mother
02:01:12
taught me not to be offensive to people
02:01:17
if I can help it. So, I would just like
02:01:21
to read something to you guys. And mama
02:01:24
I would really hope that everyone
02:01:28
would base everything that they do on
02:01:32
this: though I speak with tongues of men
02:01:34
and of angels, but have not love I
02:01:38
have become a sounding brass or a
02:01:40
clanging symbol. And though I have the
02:01:41
gift of prophecy and understand all
02:01:44
mysteries and all knowledge and though
02:01:45
I have all faith so that I can remove
02:01:49
mountains but have not loved, I am
02:01:52
nothing. And though I bestow all my
02:01:56
abilities to feed the poor and though I
02:01:57
give my body to be burned but have not
02:02:01
love,it profits me nothing. [Timer
02:02:02
sounds]
02:02:03
>> Thank you.
02:02:05
>> Thank you.
02:02:07
>> [inaudible] followed by Eric
02:02:11
Schultz.
02:02:12
>> Well at first I came here upset
02:02:27
that you channel my ancestors to come
02:02:28
appear and speak. What Mayor Fuller did
02:02:34
about the man with a flag, that was
02:02:39
very touching but he still did not do
02:02:40
what he was supposed to do. He
02:02:42
should've used his executive powers to
02:02:43
remove the man but that's [inaudible].
02:02:46
I would also like to say that Sir, you
02:02:50
are a liar. And everybody in this room
02:02:54
knows that you have lied because we've
02:02:55
had several videos about life. I'm one
02:02:59
of the organizers of the protest last
02:03:02
week and those when never step foot
02:03:04
near any door. They never harmed
02:03:06
anybody. The number approached any
02:03:11
individual, period but you lied and
02:03:12
said they did. You said they stopped
02:03:14
and locked people in the door. That was
02:03:16
a lie, sir. I will also read to you
02:03:20
another thing you said. I was truly
02:03:37
what you meant [inaudible] on Daedalus
02:03:38
potential I understand the arm people
02:03:39
on both sides of the issue around the
02:03:42
statute last night as well. Although I
02:03:43
innocent people of constitutional right
02:03:44
to bear arms, coming to city all
02:03:47
dressed in black with a AR 15's stopped
02:03:48
over your shoulder is going to make a
02:03:51
statement to intimidate. I do not
02:03:52
believe it was donewith sincere fear
02:03:55
and it might be necessary to protect
02:03:59
oneself. That was something that you
02:04:00
said, Mayor Fuller two individuals I
02:04:04
know. Also on a side note, this is
02:04:05
another thing you said that I took out
02:04:07
for the has anyone go back and listen
02:04:12
my comment about the statue. It was at
02:04:13
fault statement can be made people can
02:04:14
yell for both Warren's lies, that would
02:04:20
be me - - about what's important to
02:04:21
me and what is not. But I care about
02:04:22
and what I don't. When the video
02:04:23
evidence is right in front of them
02:04:31
which the video evidence is in front of
02:04:32
you and you, sir are a liar. [Timer
02:04:33
sounds] You sir, are a liar and you
02:04:34
should be ashamed of yourself of what
02:04:36
you have done. So I guess at one people
02:04:37
in McKinney to raise your hand if
02:04:38
you're from McKinney. In the back,
02:04:39
raise your hand if you're from McKinney.
02:04:42
Major and if you're born and raised in
02:04:44
McKinney? Raise your family if your
02:04:45
family has been here for over 50
02:04:46
years.Raise your hand
02:04:48
>>
02:04:49
>> [Multiple speakers]
02:04:52
>> Raise your hand if your time family
02:04:54
on both sides is from McKinney Texas..
02:04:58
So how dare you tell me that I'm not
02:04:59
from McKinney Texas. We are citizens
02:05:04
here in McKinney Texas and you refuse
02:05:05
to hear what we have to say.
02:05:06
>> Warren, thank you. He was we are
02:05:11
McKinney, the east side of Kinney for
02:05:18
the you are not Mayor of the West you
02:05:19
are mayor of both sides of the town and
02:05:20
you and I silence may because I am
02:05:21
[inaudible] you are a liar and deceiver.
02:05:22
>> You are cutting into everybody's
02:05:24
time
02:05:25
>> I don't care
02:05:27
>> [Background noise]
02:05:30
>> Eric Schultz followed by Tina
02:05:31
McBride.
02:05:32
>> Good afternoon councilmembers Eric
02:05:34
sheltie 1505 timberline. Two minutes
02:05:37
not a lot of time. I passed out when I
02:05:40
was going to present as a slide deck,
02:05:45
as an Army civil affairs officer went
02:05:47
to my main jobs is to understand the
02:05:49
threat and risk that is to the local
02:05:55
population or wherever we operate. So
02:05:56
I'll read this to you as if I was
02:05:58
brief in commanders the area of
02:06:02
operation area of responsibility
02:06:03
because this is your responsibility.
02:06:06
The black community in McKinney, they
02:06:09
are under violence,, life threats,
02:06:16
racist threats by white conservative
02:06:21
Republican leaders in McKinney. And I
02:06:26
have evidence on those handouts. By the
02:06:29
evidence at home a lot more evidence
02:06:30
where that comes from. The national
02:06:35
threat is real. The Texas and local
02:06:39
threat is real. It's on the news every
02:06:41
single day. With people dyingat
02:06:44
protests and at statues. On July 7, we
02:06:49
had leaders of the protest armed,
02:06:55
present,. They made violent racist
02:06:56
threats such as all live splatter among
02:07:03
other things. On the 21st, there is a
02:07:04
picture taken and posted online about
02:07:05
five steps behind me,, posted reply
02:07:08
said shoot them while they are in the
02:07:12
open, and the person posting the
02:07:13
picture said they were armed and they
02:07:18
had the thumbs-up that they liked it.
02:07:19
When confronted, the person who posted
02:07:23
that said, I can't say it the whole
02:07:24
thing, but they wished all the F-will
02:07:27
be killed in McKinney. That's why the
02:07:32
statute must come down now before
02:07:33
somebody gets hurt and is on everyone
02:07:36
here that did not take it down.. Then
02:07:39
decide where it ends up ultimately.
02:07:41
[Timer sounds]
02:07:42
>> Thank you. >> [Applause]
02:07:45
>> [inaudible] Tamika Bryant followed
02:07:46
by Kimberly Williams.
02:07:59
>> Hello. Good afternoon to all the
02:08:00
members on the board. I come because I
02:08:01
feel him in compelled and forced to be
02:08:06
here. I've come before only with maybe
02:08:09
another time. I appreciate
02:08:11
everythingeveryone up there is trying
02:08:12
to do for the city of McKinney, but my
02:08:16
concern is not having to explain to my
02:08:17
seven-year-old who loves living here in
02:08:27
the United States of America. He loves
02:08:28
every about this country one day I'm
02:08:29
going to have to explain to them that
02:08:30
this country may not love him as much
02:08:31
as he thinks it does and the issue is,
02:08:32
that the one person on this board as I
02:08:33
mentioned before that is my color that
02:08:35
is supposed to be a representative for
02:08:37
myself and the rest of us who were born
02:08:38
and bred here, you are trying to get
02:08:40
rid of him. That is the issue. I care
02:08:43
about the statue, I do understand the
02:08:45
point of getting it down. However, what
02:08:49
is more important is that you allow
02:08:50
someone who's representing the black
02:08:52
residents of the city to continue to be
02:08:58
on this board to speak for us because
02:08:59
he was placed in a position to do so.
02:09:02
And also I want you guys to get
02:09:03
together. It's one thing to say and
02:09:06
use those words but to actually get
02:09:08
together come together and try to make
02:09:09
the city which is a great city to be
02:09:10
what we can be. It takes every single
02:09:12
one of you, including Mr. - - Shum
02:09:20
oh and I want to implore each and
02:09:21
everyone he to be mindful of that.
02:09:23
Because I take it personally the person
02:09:24
that looks like me on this board is
02:09:26
trying to remove him. That tells me you
02:09:27
don't care, that makes it seem as if
02:09:33
you just let me psychological terms -
02:09:34
- makes it seem as if you don't care
02:09:35
about what I say, my children and of
02:09:40
course, yes I'm going to take that
02:09:41
personally. Because it's my job to
02:09:42
protect them with you do it or not. We
02:09:43
placed in a position to help us to
02:09:45
structure this town the weight should
02:09:46
be and if you can't or if you want then
02:09:50
there's other measures that have to be
02:09:51
taken. I don't know what you guys, if
02:09:53
someone from your child told you your
02:09:55
child can't go out and can be safe and
02:10:01
can be protected, you are going to take
02:10:02
steps to protect them, yes? That's
02:10:03
what we are doing. Okay? >> [Applause]
02:10:07
>> Kimberly - - followed by Shawn
02:10:08
[inaudible].
02:10:10
>> I wrote it down [inaudible]. Thank
02:10:16
you, Mayor and councilmembers for I
02:10:17
briefly would like to address COVID
02:10:20
19. Hydroxychloroquine has
02:10:22
unequivocally has been proven to
02:10:23
prevent COVID 19 and help the once
02:10:26
infected. I would encourage you to
02:10:27
check out Dr. [inaudible] of Houston
02:10:31
Texas. Check her out. With regards to
02:10:35
the statue of Mr. Throckmorton, I am
02:10:39
offended someone from Florida started a
02:10:42
petition to remove the statue. I am
02:10:45
offended we have outsiders trying to
02:10:47
destroy McKinney with hate. Before I go
02:10:51
further, my black - - just as black
02:10:57
as everyone sitting out here - -
02:10:58
brother in law, nephew, nieces,
02:11:00
cousins, my family is extremely biracial
02:11:07
. Extremely. I would love to know how
02:11:12
many actually care about unity, unity.
02:11:18
But most of all, I'm very offended at
02:11:23
the very one at the crux of the spread
02:11:24
of hate is a sitting remember who has
02:11:27
been charged with the rape, beating
02:11:31
women, ties with the Black Panthers, -
02:11:33
- that is not unity. Ties, falsely
02:11:38
accusing one of our esteemed police
02:11:41
officers of police brutality and much
02:11:44
more yet here he is. We know the
02:11:47
statue will be removed. I'm okay with
02:11:51
that. My question is, when will he be
02:11:55
removed? I am speaking on women who
02:11:59
have been abused and I don't care what
02:12:00
color you are. A man put your hands on
02:12:04
you you need to knock the hell out of
02:12:06
him.My question is, it's going to take
02:12:09
a mob to remove him because right now,
02:12:15
in America that is what it takes, a
02:12:16
mob. Thank you. [Timer sounds]
02:12:19
>> Sean - - followed by Joshua
02:12:22
Murray.
02:12:27
>> [Background noise]
02:12:29
>> Hello all. The name Sean Howell.
02:12:35
I'm a resident of McKinney for them to
02:12:40
all elected officials, and public
02:12:41
officials who signed up to serve the
02:12:43
common good of our community, thank you
02:12:45
for remembering to hear the voices of
02:12:46
those whom you serve in making sure
02:12:51
that government is for the people, by
02:12:52
the people. While diversity and
02:12:58
cultural passwords has been introduced
02:12:59
by the city Council as an ad hoc
02:13:02
committee to deal with the statue,
02:13:05
which we applaud as a first step in
02:13:06
bringinga diverse group of people
02:13:08
together to resolve that issue, we must
02:13:10
not think that an ad hoc committee
02:13:13
working on the statue issue alone will
02:13:17
address the many perceived issues of
02:13:20
structural and systemic racial
02:13:21
marginalization in McKinney. I think
02:13:24
most would agree that we can no longer
02:13:26
kick this can of racial division and in
02:13:29
equity down the road and think we are
02:13:31
first class city. Back in January, a
02:13:38
race and culture task force and
02:13:39
cultural awareness training was
02:13:42
proposed by first to the mayor to begin
02:13:45
working on developing these initiatives
02:13:47
further. Since then race and culture
02:13:51
toolkit was presented to the mayor on
02:13:53
June 13. While we are waiting his input
02:13:59
we would like to recommend that the
02:14:00
toolkit be reviewed as a template for
02:14:01
the basis of an ongoing race and
02:14:02
culture task force. That would be a
02:14:05
data-driven boards and commissions
02:14:08
committee whose mission is to create a
02:14:11
city where diversity inclusion is
02:14:13
embraced, racial and economic
02:14:15
disparities are eliminatedand racial
02:14:18
equity achieve. The task force seeks to
02:14:22
permanently eliminate racial inequity
02:14:23
in the city. To do this requires a
02:14:26
commitment to understanding and ending
02:14:31
individual racism institutional
02:14:32
racism, and structural racism. The task
02:14:38
force will provide McKinney leaders
02:14:39
with institutional best practices and
02:14:40
operational strategies [Timer sounds]
02:14:41
The foster equality and equity. Thank
02:14:42
you for your time.
02:14:45
>>
02:14:54
>> Good evening. My name is Stephen I
02:14:58
like to address Karen I just spoke that
02:15:01
said my P and it doesn't matter. Ma'am,
02:15:02
I like to point out that what I did is
02:15:08
I took an obligation to the
02:15:09
Constitution that is the reason I'm in
02:15:10
front of each one of you and that is
02:15:11
the reason that I'm involved in each
02:15:19
and while your politics. You understand
02:15:20
the right now, here for a reason. I'm
02:15:21
here to speak on the statue. First come
02:15:22
I like to say that on the record this
02:15:23
issue is divisive it difficult it's one
02:15:24
most people do not understand
02:15:28
especially currently politician that do
02:15:29
not address it so I thank you all for
02:15:30
putting it on the agenda addressing it
02:15:31
today. I do not discuss history nor do
02:15:36
I have a desire to rewrite it I will
02:15:37
say in current times questions the
02:15:38
motives of individuals writing things
02:15:40
so that I do question at times of the
02:15:42
way in which they write the history
02:15:48
that they speak of. Especially, from
02:15:49
this long ago.To make things easier I
02:15:54
assume in this current moment that
02:15:55
everything being said about Doc frog
02:16:03
corn is true for the last use
02:16:04
abolitionist people spoke in support of
02:16:05
the statue with a tendency to reference
02:16:06
brief moments in our titles on a man's
02:16:07
life and attempt to scale and away his
02:16:09
indiscretions. To each his own the
02:16:10
weight of these moments indiscretions
02:16:11
of this man's life have different
02:16:13
values to each of us. I can only speak
02:16:17
for myself and for my family. For me,
02:16:22
for my family, we only need to know the
02:16:23
weight of one indiscretion to know the
02:16:27
way in which are scale tips. The fact
02:16:28
this man was a general in the
02:16:31
Confederate Army, the fact that he had
02:16:33
the opportunity to not - - he did not
02:16:38
fight. He strategically coordinated an
02:16:39
effort to make Americans people that
02:16:42
are property. He strategically
02:16:43
coordinated this effort and to idolize
02:16:49
them, have a statue of him anywhere in
02:16:50
this country is wrong. To support it
02:16:56
what needs to happen is immediately you
02:16:57
need to move as quickly as you can
02:16:58
within this constraints of the law to
02:16:59
have it removed with a task force,
02:17:00
please. Please. [Timer sounds] >>
02:17:01
[Applause]
02:17:03
>> [inaudible] followed by Sheila
02:17:04
Simmons.
02:17:15
>> My name is Deborah Mendoza. I am a
02:17:16
leader of thebrowned - - and I live
02:17:21
in McKinney. I'm a resident of McKinney
02:17:22
and I was here last week and Mayor, you
02:17:28
lied. You lied. I was outside standing
02:17:33
with the people that you said were
02:17:37
threatening people and not letting them
02:17:38
come in. That was a boldfaced lie. I
02:17:43
don't want you representing me here in
02:17:47
McKinney. At all. So I'm going to make
02:17:48
it my mission. You have not seen my
02:17:53
Apache site or my Mexican side. Okay?
02:17:57
You have not seen the brown people
02:18:00
coming here for the way to my people
02:18:01
come up in here. You are going to see
02:18:03
my people okay? And I'm going to make
02:18:07
it my mission that you do not get
02:18:10
reelected. And to you, I stand with you
02:18:16
. I know how it is to feelthe way you
02:18:21
are feeling. To have people against you.
02:18:25
I am with you. We are with you.You
02:18:28
have an army behind you. And the real
02:18:34
threat is what I see every day. I work
02:18:40
in healthcare. Do you see the scrubs?
02:18:42
That is the real threat. Not the
02:18:45
hugging of white people outside. That
02:18:47
was not a threat. So, today, I am
02:18:54
asking you, take down the statue, or,
02:19:02
you never know. Somebody may come in
02:19:03
and take it down for you. Thank you.
02:19:07
[Background noise] >> [Applause]
02:19:13
>> Sheila Simmons followed by Carmen
02:19:19
Marshall.
02:19:20
>> Good evening everyone. Due respect
02:19:25
to all the panel for the mayor you and
02:19:26
I have spoken several months ago about
02:19:28
you being a leader and what a leader
02:19:31
should be as far as bringing people
02:19:33
together. But one of the things, a
02:19:35
couple of things I want to addresses -
02:19:40
- my name is Sheila Simmons. I found
02:19:41
it appalling you issued a video in
02:19:42
McKinney regarding the citizens who
02:19:44
gathered at the city Council meeting
02:19:46
last week. You said it was La'Shadian
02:19:51
organized, which he did not because all
02:19:53
the citizens my majority of them still
02:19:54
here, were not protesters. You call
02:20:00
them protesters and you said that we
02:20:03
were violent. You said that we - -
02:20:12
many had weapons. You said they were
02:20:13
intimidating. You said they block the
02:20:14
doors. None of those things occurred.
02:20:15
As a matter fact, you stepped out
02:20:16
those doors and look to those people but
02:20:22
if you got to know the people in the
02:20:23
community will recognize their face.
02:20:24
You don't know any of the people of the
02:20:25
community because you don't try to get
02:20:26
to know the people of the community.
02:20:27
You just appear in your seat and don't
02:20:28
try to know the black side, or the east
02:20:30
side of McKinney. You only came there
02:20:32
to get your vote. That was the last
02:20:35
time we saw you. Just to get you
02:20:37
elected in the office. The other thing
02:20:41
is, you actually - - it's
02:20:50
disheartening. It's disappointing. You
02:20:51
still owe the committee an apology
02:20:52
because the majority of people in the
02:20:53
community were the ones that were out
02:20:54
there. They may have been a handful of
02:20:55
people that were not from McKinney,
02:20:57
but I knew each and every last one of
02:20:58
them. They went to school with me. Some
02:21:08
of them grew up with me. Some of them
02:21:09
went to church with. Some we work with.
02:21:10
So all these people, you are saying
02:21:11
they were not of McKinney and they
02:21:12
were. The vast majority of those people
02:21:13
were from McKinney. And then, like I
02:21:14
said as a leader that message you sent
02:21:18
out to more division. I people I was
02:21:30
friends with in school. Just your
02:21:31
comments alone [Timer sounds] Caused
02:21:32
a division between my friends that I
02:21:33
grew up with.
02:21:34
>> Thank you. Sheila Simmons - -
02:21:35
>> >> [Applause]
02:21:36
>> I'm sorry. Would you put the name
02:21:39
backup? Carmen Marshall followed by
02:21:47
Leroy [inaudible]
02:21:48
>> Hello. My name is Carmen Marshall
02:21:49
citizen of Capri. I brought my home
02:21:51
here in McKinney about 18 years ago
02:21:53
after proudly serving my country as a
02:21:57
military police officer in the United
02:21:58
Army. What I would like to ask the
02:22:00
council is is how many statutes have
02:22:04
you seen a British Revolutionary war
02:22:05
soldiers in America? Pretty much, none
02:22:10
because they are losers. And America we
02:22:12
really don't celebrate losers. They are
02:22:15
in museums across America and that's
02:22:16
where these types of statues belong.I
02:22:20
feel that when we have these
02:22:27
commemorative statues whatever you want
02:22:28
to call them we memorialize a group of
02:22:30
people who fought against everything
02:22:31
that I feel we support here in America.
02:22:36
We fought a war about Civil War and I
02:22:42
don't understand why they still have to
02:22:43
exist. It doesn't take five months for
02:22:44
us to make - - have a board and make
02:22:48
some other decisions as to why it needs
02:22:49
to come down. It basically just need to
02:22:51
come down so if you support America,
02:22:52
and you support soldiers, and you don't
02:22:55
support losers, and the Confederate
02:23:01
flag [Background noise] Then you will
02:23:02
take on the statue. Thank you.
02:23:03
>> Thank you. >> [Applause]
02:23:06
>> Larry strong and followed by
02:23:10
[inaudible]. >> [Applause]
02:23:16
>> >> [Native language] I'm a member
02:23:27
of the Apache tribe just like my
02:23:33
friend Deborah there. Just like she
02:23:34
said, we are coming for that statue.
02:23:37
>> [Applause] McKinney is on Indian
02:23:40
land. You forgot that fact. This
02:23:45
landis the land of my ancestors.. It
02:23:47
does not represent hate. We don't need
02:23:53
participation trophies in front of the
02:23:54
courthouse. It makes no sense. This is
02:23:57
2020, not 1820. [Background noise]
02:23:59
The time to worship these symbols of
02:24:03
hate has passed. Now we are coming into
02:24:07
a new age,/overly McKinney will
02:24:14
follow. But as we see right now it
02:24:15
doesn't look that way. But eventually
02:24:17
that statue will come down along with
02:24:19
the rest of those hate symbols. So,
02:24:23
just remember, and I like to address
02:24:26
[inaudible] over here.. When somebody
02:24:30
tells you to follow the rules
02:24:32
>> [Speaker off microphone]
02:24:37
>> You can understand me.
02:24:38
>> [Speaker off microphone]
02:24:40
>> Please do me a favor don't address
02:24:45
the audience.
02:24:46
>> When I tell you about the rules and
02:24:48
you refuse to follow the rules, you are
02:24:52
not special.
02:24:53
>> It Leroy, Leroy.
02:24:59
>> Okay.
02:25:00
>> Don't give them the opportunity to
02:25:01
disrupt.
02:25:02
>> You are no big shit. Anyway it
02:25:04
started time for McKinney to join the
02:25:06
21st century.It's too much already.
02:25:08
Now, my friend the councilmember there
02:25:12
councilmember Shemwell removing him
02:25:13
only, it only gives proof to the fact
02:25:17
that McKinney is not ready to join the
02:25:25
21st century. If you remove them you
02:25:28
leave the hate here. [Timer sounds]
02:25:31
>> [Applause]
02:25:32
>> Leroy, thank you. Rolando Ashley
02:25:35
followed by Lizzie Johnson.
02:25:37
>> Hello, Mayor and city council. So
02:25:52
first, I want to address what happened
02:25:53
here last week. I understand that you
02:25:57
said some people standing outside may
02:26:01
be intimidating, but you had no
02:26:02
problems with that two weeks prior to
02:26:11
that meeting when people were literally
02:26:12
standing right exactly to the left of
02:26:13
the door. So I don't understand how you
02:26:14
missed that but anyway my mom and my
02:26:15
dad both our veterans. That flag is an
02:26:18
insult. That statue is an insult.
02:26:21
Secondly, I was asked, how can taking
02:26:30
down the statue of people with hate in
02:26:31
their hearts? By taking it down it
02:26:33
shows solidarity in McKinney citizens.
02:26:38
It shows to those about with hate in
02:26:39
their heart it shows we don't tolerate
02:26:40
hate here. It shows McKinney recognizes
02:26:41
it had a racist past, who didn't if the
02:26:49
United States is the South to be exact.
02:26:50
We know that. Moving is that you will
02:26:51
not erase history and is quite a German
02:26:54
exchange student for the does no
02:26:55
statues of Hitler so why can't - -
02:26:58
why does it have to be statues of
02:27:00
racist people, people who would not
02:27:02
support the freedom of my people? If
02:27:06
it were up to general Throckmorton out
02:27:09
there - - are similar not be on the
02:27:13
city Council, period. Period. Like I
02:27:15
don't understand how you can - - are
02:27:18
supposed to be elected to represent
02:27:20
McKinney as a whole, but you claim
02:27:29
people were not hear from McKinney when
02:27:30
they were literally with you weeks ago,
02:27:31
not even a week ago cleanup the
02:27:33
cemetery. That is how you and everyone
02:27:36
needs to get to learn their citizens.
02:27:40
The whole entire citizens. Because if
02:27:44
you did you would never have to say,
02:27:45
well who was out there with the guns?
02:27:47
You will recognize them. But you only
02:27:48
stepped outside the door for the you
02:27:50
and I think was Rainey Rogers for two
02:27:56
seconds. Thank you. [Timer sounds]
02:27:57
>> >> [Applause]
02:27:58
>> State your name if you would.
02:28:06
>> Lindsay Johnson, 340 Needle Would
02:28:08
Ln. McKinney Texas. I'm not originally
02:28:12
from McKinney or Texas. I'm originally
02:28:13
from Florida and also signed a
02:28:15
petition. I was born and raised in the
02:28:18
Southin a racist state. I went to
02:28:20
college in a racist state, Bible Belt.
02:28:25
I'm familiar with how this works I
02:28:26
think like everyone stated, be on the
02:28:27
right side of history. You all have a
02:28:31
great opportunity to stop this for the
02:28:43
you've heard the threats of saying they
02:28:44
will take it down. It's in your best
02:28:45
interest to go ahead and remove it and
02:28:46
created a council is really just
02:28:47
delaying the process completely. If you
02:28:48
are creating a councilto solve racial
02:28:49
injustice, that is different but
02:28:50
creating a council to remove a statue
02:28:51
is a waste of everyone's time. I
02:28:52
behoove you to take the statue down.
02:28:55
And for the everyone that is here,-- on
02:29:00
October 5 the last day to register next
02:29:01
year on the first, you can get these
02:29:03
people out of office. The mayor can go.
02:29:07
District 1, district is a command large
02:29:08
one, all of the seats are up. Go
02:29:16
register to vote for the they don't
02:29:17
give you what you want, remove them
02:29:18
from completely. But regardless, I
02:29:23
implore you, we have had peaceful
02:29:24
protests in McKinney. There have been
02:29:25
people are doing what you asked,
02:29:26
cleaning up. Give the black community
02:29:27
and opportunity to say we stand behind
02:29:33
you. This is a great opportunity. Just
02:29:34
be on the right side of history. For
02:29:35
everybody else, register to vote. Get
02:29:40
these people out of office. I implore
02:29:41
you. >> [Applause]
02:29:44
>> Daniel - -.
02:29:54
>> Members of city Council, my name is
02:30:01
Daniel - - 50 year resident here
02:30:03
McKinney. I am here to appeal to
02:30:04
everyone's common sense okay? This is
02:30:07
historic McKinney.. That is the sign
02:30:08
that's out there. That's how everybody
02:30:09
knows it will this is historic
02:30:13
McKinney. We need to keep our beauty
02:30:15
keep our history and our statue. So
02:30:17
let's talk about Throckmorton for a
02:30:21
minute. He was a doctor, a lawyer, a
02:30:23
politician, and a governor. Listen, he
02:30:27
gave his all for McKinney. He gave his
02:30:29
all for McKinney. He was one of 10 men
02:30:33
from this area devoted to stay in the
02:30:35
union. So he was not a racist man. He
02:30:37
want to stay in a union. Now listen,
02:30:41
>> Yes. Can I have my time, please?
02:30:44
All right. So we continue to hear about
02:30:48
racism. That word has been cheapened
02:30:50
for that we hear it over and over. That
02:30:56
is a statue. That's not racist. It's a
02:30:57
statue. Let's take a look at Portland,
02:31:00
Seattle, Los Angeles. They are tearing
02:31:07
down statues over there but guess what
02:31:08
that doesn't appease the mob. The mob
02:31:09
is still burning stuff. The statute
02:31:11
does not make a difference. It is the
02:31:12
character that's in their heart. And
02:31:15
McKinney, I've been here for 15 years I
02:31:17
don't see any racism here. At all.
02:31:22
[Background noise] Listen, we are here
02:31:34
>> Please, respect the speaker.
02:31:35
Nobody's interrupting other speakers.
02:31:36
Please, let him finish.
02:31:37
>> Thank you, Mayor. I'm asking you to
02:31:38
bow to keep our history keep our
02:31:39
nature and keep our statute. Let's just
02:31:40
put this up for a vote for the majority
02:31:41
to vote on. I don't think it is fair to
02:31:45
have emotions lead the charge on this.
02:31:46
I think it's important that we all have
02:31:48
a part in the decision. And I think
02:31:51
that McKinney deserves that. Thank you.
02:31:55
>> [Applause] [Background noise]
02:31:56
>> All right. Citizen comments that
02:32:01
were mailed in. I suggest - - this is
02:32:08
from [inaudible]. I'm sorry. It's not.
02:32:15
Please-- I read the wrong line. This is
02:32:25
from Christine. I suggest we address
02:32:27
issues at hand been to behind racial
02:32:31
divide in our city. Is not about a
02:32:32
statue and will not end in a statue if
02:32:34
we bow to these - - I'm sorry you
02:32:37
want to be?
02:32:38
>> [Speaker off microphone]
02:32:39
>> Okay. I had you here.
02:32:43
>> [Speaker off microphone]
02:32:47
>> I'm going to read your comments
02:32:48
since I already stated were only
02:32:51
accepting cards once we had a cut off.
02:32:52
I apologize for the confusion but I'll
02:32:53
need it for you. This is not about a
02:32:56
statue. It will not end in a statute as
02:33:01
BLM commonest threats. Leadership to
02:33:08
accept the actual citizens are American
02:33:09
freedom and history before we end up
02:33:10
like Portland. Shemwell is allying to
02:33:11
a domestic terrorist [inaudible]
02:33:13
against very citizens that to take
02:33:16
peaceful environmental actions that is
02:33:19
never done for the people the
02:33:22
represents. Our citizens to attend
02:33:23
[inaudible] because of his bowling and
02:33:28
Shemwell's people are signing threats
02:33:29
and going to Ohm's Citizen speak freely.
02:33:32
When are the rest of you gonna do
02:33:33
about it? [Background noise]
02:33:37
>> You are a boldfaced not. That's
02:33:38
what you are. A boldfaced liar.
02:33:39
>>
02:33:40
>> [Multiple speakers]
02:33:43
>> Regarding - - sorry. This says
02:33:49
from Brenda regarding these including
02:33:53
at least one member of McKinney's
02:33:57
neighbored Association. From Bridget, I
02:34:03
support the creation of a temporary
02:34:04
committee of citizens to research and
02:34:05
recommend action regarding Throckmorton
02:34:06
statue the only way McKinney can get an
02:34:13
entire committee sentiment would be
02:34:14
citizen participation and deliberation.
02:34:21
The democratic process. It consists of
02:34:22
district 1 and inspected to the statute
02:34:23
to be in the asked the representatives
02:34:24
to work to get it taken down during
02:34:25
this three years in office. He's only
02:34:31
stated started addressing those
02:34:32
concerns now. That is a sign of a poor
02:34:33
leader. His lack of leadership on
02:34:34
councils one of the reasons yup 600
02:34:37
registered voters in his district sign
02:34:38
the petition to have been recalled in
02:34:39
November. Mayor Fuller, what a time to
02:34:49
be mayor. No decision made is a good
02:34:50
one. You can please everyone to make
02:34:51
the decision the time to do what you
02:34:52
think is right. It's a bad decision be
02:34:54
Bett I would if it were to turn out
02:34:56
that mask opinion [inaudible] cause of
02:35:01
loss of 11 which not look at things for
02:35:02
the whole of the community to do what
02:35:04
you thought is right with the
02:35:09
information resource and present
02:35:10
expense I brought you to the decision.
02:35:20
You know I'm referring to James Proctor
02:35:21
lived his life serving. He lived a life
02:35:22
of service and voted in time after time
02:35:23
to rivers and the people he served.
02:35:24
When he represented this area most
02:35:25
agree the position he took for whatever
02:35:26
reasonsthe time came he also stood in
02:35:27
the middle and brought altogether. This
02:35:30
should be enough to keep not remove a
02:35:31
piece of history from our square. The
02:35:32
statue is kosher an old McKinney is.
02:35:38
[inaudible] doesn't have one. We do
02:35:39
it's history something we can never get
02:35:40
back. Please, don't voted away. Let the
02:35:41
people decide what better way to do it.
02:35:43
[inaudible] let's be able let the
02:35:46
people decide him against removing the
02:35:49
history. If you have time [inaudible].
02:35:55
[Background noise] McKinney residents
02:35:57
have an opportunity about whether
02:36:01
statue should be removed or not. Jumpy
02:36:02
up to a specific group that's
02:36:05
protesting for its removal especially
02:36:06
those who do not currently live in
02:36:07
McKinney. Also did together group of
02:36:08
study to a tune of $500,000 is a gross
02:36:14
misuse of tax dollars. That is from
02:36:15
hope. Please do not allow the statute
02:36:26
to be taken down without the taxpayers
02:36:27
have a chance to vote on this. The
02:36:28
majority of downtown committee totally
02:36:30
pose this effort to take away our
02:36:33
history. [inaudible]. I join my voice
02:36:34
to those who demand [inaudible] let us
02:36:36
vote on it. That English [inaudible]. I
02:36:57
don't have any comments here on this one
02:37:05
thank you, Josh. Mayor, if we can give
02:37:09
into the far left demands is no
02:37:11
guarantee will stop. We just cannot say
02:37:14
this will stop there protests for the
02:37:17
much are we giving up? Please, do not
02:37:20
remove the statue. If it's decided
02:37:22
that it should be down to the people of
02:37:23
McKinney to decide not some
02:37:26
councilmember been paid to destroy US
02:37:29
history. [inaudible]. The city Council
02:37:32
McKinney is a member of McKinney
02:37:34
Facebook page, attention there's been a
02:37:37
rush for many citizens over the frock
02:37:39
more statute downtown. It seems to me
02:37:43
the burden of choice to remove the
02:37:44
statue should not fall on the shoulders
02:37:45
of the city Council were a specialty
02:37:48
committee for the public arranges to
02:37:49
high. It's my request this choice be
02:37:52
put in the hands of the people. Call a
02:37:53
vote of the people in this matter and
02:37:58
then - excuse me - November election.
02:37:59
The vote is paramount to really see how
02:38:00
the committee feels about the subject.
02:38:01
Sean Nance [inaudible] already done
02:38:02
this with a Facebook site and
02:38:05
considering the nature of [inaudible]
02:38:07
it seems to be the best way to solve
02:38:11
the issue.Most of all take away all
02:38:12
agitators on both sides were not
02:38:13
citizens of McKinney and let our
02:38:15
community is all to the issue without
02:38:16
being shut down. Please, let the people
02:38:20
speak. Jordan Halsey. In regard to the
02:38:23
frock more statue I believe all
02:38:27
McKinney's resident should have a say
02:38:28
as to be were removed or not I do not
02:38:30
believe a small group of people even
02:38:32
of its city Council number should get
02:38:33
to decide the entire McKinney.
02:38:37
Taxpayers dollars spent to be put on
02:38:38
about November. Colina would. Although
02:38:42
I say the issue of whether not
02:38:48
.Throckmorton statue should be
02:38:49
presented to the citizen McKinney for a
02:38:50
vote I do not think is important
02:38:52
something or someone should be decided
02:38:53
by handful people in the city Council.
02:38:54
She and Benjamin. Removing s statues
02:39:00
in racing history is one of the
02:39:02
[inaudible] and they must be opposed.
02:39:07
Councilmember Shemwell is a communist
02:39:08
who is [inaudible] bad for McKinney and
02:39:11
must be censured a new from office.
02:39:12
Jeff Chandler. [Background noise]
02:39:16
Statue should say. Call divisive yet
02:39:22
they gather on several times for hours.
02:39:23
Said hurt her feelings don't see any
02:39:25
tears. [inaudible] causes distress
02:39:26
explaining our state's history if you
02:39:33
need therapy. If councilmember
02:39:34
Shemwell's yells and screams at
02:39:36
citizens was up they threaten them and
02:39:37
call them white supremacists if they
02:39:38
don't agree. Yet they get in people's
02:39:41
faces [inaudible] the inside balance if
02:39:43
we don't give into the romance.
02:39:49
Terrace. They wanted us to show him I
02:39:50
want to destroy the by people in our
02:39:51
committee. Makes him look unruly full
02:39:52
of rage and races. This file managed
02:40:04
not even for McKinney attachment and he
02:40:05
knows what's best for our community.
02:40:06
To me why we are even considering this
02:40:07
wasteful spending in times like these?
02:40:08
How spending hundreds of thousand
02:40:09
dollars in district 1? It's not the
02:40:10
government sought to protect
02:40:12
[inaudible] but their job to be her
02:40:13
sponsor with the city's funds. This a
02:40:14
hard time to even discuss such
02:40:15
frivolous spending when people are
02:40:16
hungry without jobs and losing
02:40:20
businesses. If it's up to council to
02:40:22
choose common sense over emotion. It's
02:40:33
after this counsel to hold Shemwell
02:40:34
responsible for the terror that
02:40:35
continues to spread in our community.
02:40:36
We the statue and takedown Shemwell.
02:40:37
He's a true racistfull of hate
02:40:38
[Background noise] Not only hates
02:40:39
white people black people, too.
02:40:40
[Background noise]
02:40:45
>> Take it down [Background noise]
02:40:50
>> If everyone if you disrupt the
02:40:51
meeting I will have you removed from
02:40:52
the building. Please, don't. Please
02:40:55
stay and be recycles everyone
02:40:57
respectful when you are speaking.
02:40:59
[Background noise] Is people that live
02:41:07
live free in our society from
02:41:08
oppressive restrictions imposed by
02:41:09
authority on one's way or life behavior
02:41:12
and political views without being said,
02:41:13
just because you do something doesn't
02:41:14
mean it's right. Elected leaders a lot
02:41:16
is expected of you to between the
02:41:19
Constitution and the city charter. I
02:41:22
don't agree with the fact that
02:41:24
[inaudible] exonerate elected instead
02:41:25
of taking the opportunity to celebrate
02:41:32
an opportunity to cast out. Mayor
02:41:33
Fuller respect you in my pin with a
02:41:34
more genuine [inaudible] in Collin
02:41:35
County. However, [Background noise]
02:41:39
June 2019. [Background noise] To be
02:41:43
more specific a majority of the time
02:41:48
[inaudible] are not prosecuted in
02:41:49
that's a tragedy in this country. That
02:41:51
truly is a travesty. I do not agree the
02:41:56
statement [inaudible] undermines the
02:41:57
integrity of our judicial system. The
02:42:01
truth is[inaudible]prosecutors and
02:42:02
resources. Okay was so intent seeking
02:42:03
justice for victims of domestic
02:42:06
violence. Minus they would've fact that
02:42:11
petition [inaudible] [inaudible] that
02:42:12
is Joshua Bernie. I oppose NASA council
02:42:17
to table them until such date are state
02:42:20
is not in of by [inaudible] therefore
02:42:27
the legal options left are to leave her
02:42:28
alone and a cost at contacts at minimal
02:42:31
cost and no committee is needed for
02:42:38
that. Removal it which I believe are
02:42:39
the committee will most likely started
02:42:40
for the the customer with a statue or
02:42:41
two I started that $100,000 all the way
02:42:43
up to $450,000. Right nitrogen with
02:42:47
counsel the cost is too high at this
02:42:48
time in the city's history for the and
02:42:49
of the citizens of McKinney would not
02:42:50
agree to spend such exorbitant amount
02:42:52
of money to remove the statue in so
02:42:53
many of our business are hurting. I
02:42:54
suggest we table the item [inaudible]
02:42:57
raise private funds to do so.
02:43:01
[Background noise] Get Shemwell off of
02:43:06
the council. [Background noise] It
02:43:10
is ridiculous to remove our history.
02:43:19
Lawrence van. Wake up council for the
02:43:20
that about statues for the it's about
02:43:21
socialism and Marxism in our country.
02:43:22
It does not stop and monuments.
02:43:25
[inaudible]. Please, do not move the statue.
02:43:29
McKinney is our hometown. Patty Barry.
02:43:33
[Background noise] At the statue is a
02:43:34
piece of our history from history is
02:43:36
unchanged removal any reference to
02:43:39
those. It's dangerous to forget
02:43:40
history. And showed we should learn
02:43:43
writer and strive about the no man was
02:43:49
perfect. And perfect man or woman we
02:43:50
would have done left. Congressman
02:43:51
Shemwell - - you got promotedis
02:43:52
dangerous and being needs to be
02:43:55
recalled. [Background noise] I suggest
02:44:00
we address the actual issues at hand
02:44:04
and the racial divide in our city. Does
02:44:05
not about a statute. It's the same when
02:44:07
I read before. [Background noise] All
02:44:14
right. Mom and ask one more time. If
02:44:17
everyone could be quiet then everyone
02:44:19
can staple if not you guys will
02:44:25
deliberate over the issue and everyone
02:44:26
will have to leave the building. So
02:44:27
please, don't. Let us have the
02:44:29
discussion so we can move this forward.
02:44:36
Item 20026 consider discuss act on a
02:44:39
resolution authorizing the creation of
02:44:40
an ad hoc Throckmorton statue advisory
02:44:45
board to oversee staff and expert
02:44:46
research related to the Throckmorton
02:44:47
statue located on city-owned property
02:44:51
date. Mr. - -. >> Good afternoon council.
02:44:52
Mayor, Mayor pro tem director planning
02:44:56
for the what were asking this afternoon
02:44:57
is for you to take a look at the
02:44:58
resolution before you that will
02:45:02
authorize the creation of an ad hoc
02:45:04
advisory board to take a look at the
02:45:06
Throckmorton statue located next to
02:45:09
impact. We do have a presentation from
02:45:12
last week if there's anyone that needs
02:45:14
to be refreshed about what we went over
02:45:16
and I'm here for any questions as well.
02:45:29
>> Questions? Any questions? Yes,
02:45:34
sir?
02:45:40
>> I do mention a sometime back. When
02:45:43
this was first brought up. I guess Mr.
02:45:48
Howell talked about using the committee
02:45:52
to not just address this issue, but to
02:45:54
address the other things we have to
02:45:57
work on. I talked about the speed of
02:45:58
government. I think all of us up here
02:46:02
Rand talk about the speed of
02:46:05
government. It's slow. So the only
02:46:06
thing I would say we have city
02:46:09
staffthat created the framework for the
02:46:17
[inaudible] act. We have city staff
02:46:18
that created the framework to help
02:46:19
businesses. We have city staff that
02:46:20
helped create an emergency business
02:46:25
program. I think we all did that in
02:46:29
like two months, maybe 2.5 months. So
02:46:30
one thing I would ask is and put out
02:46:33
there, the task force, I'd like - -
02:46:36
there's a lot of work to do and we
02:46:37
should continue long past the statue
02:46:39
but I to see this brought back to us in
02:46:43
October. And just we should be able to
02:46:45
do it quicker than that. So that would
02:46:48
be my thought and modification to the
02:46:51
proposal.
02:46:53
>> I agree with that statement.
02:47:01
>> [Speaker off microphone]
02:47:02
>> Other discussion?
02:47:20
>> There's a few things of my touch on.
02:47:22
First I'll come I want to publicly
02:47:24
thank councilmember Elliott. One of
02:47:25
your comments I made at the previous
02:47:29
work session on this item was that I
02:47:31
thought the timeframe was too long. I
02:47:33
also want to thank publicly
02:47:37
councilmember Elliott the Hon.
02:47:38
councilmember Elliott. When the council
02:47:42
decided to abruptly end and take a break
02:47:44
remember Elliott was the only rider
02:47:47
that did not get up from the dais. Did
02:47:50
not feel I guess pressure to get up
02:47:52
from the dais is the other
02:47:53
councilmembers did and go to the back
02:47:56
room and having a legal quorum to
02:47:58
abruptly and the meeting. That is a
02:48:03
bold step. That is leadership and I
02:48:06
just wanted to thank him for standing
02:48:08
on his own and doing the uncomfortable
02:48:13
thing to do and I just wanted to thank
02:48:16
you for that. I know it's not an easy
02:48:18
thing to do to stand on your own and be
02:48:22
ousted and sit alone and in times like
02:48:27
this I think the timeframe is far too
02:48:30
long and so I second that idea of
02:48:34
shortening the timeframe. I think the
02:48:41
mayor, the mayor pro tem as you've
02:48:42
heard although public comments about
02:48:45
councilmember being a communist and
02:48:47
wanted to take on the statute come I
02:48:49
think that it's only fair for the mayor
02:48:50
and mayor pro tem to take
02:48:53
accountability. Because it wasn't me
02:48:57
who brought the statute forward to be
02:48:59
on the agenda that we talk about. It
02:49:00
was the mayor and the mayor pro tem
02:49:03
brought this forward to be discussed in
02:49:06
the city. So while all these comments
02:49:09
are about councilmember Shemwell or
02:49:15
and he are having this discussion in
02:49:16
the racial divide and racial tension he
02:49:17
was the mayor and mayor pro tem about
02:49:19
this forward to be removed in the first
02:49:23
place. So I think as a leader you
02:49:24
should take some accountability and
02:49:26
shut down all these haters and all
02:49:27
these people were calling for my head
02:49:28
on a stick in the first place. And so,
02:49:33
again, I was asking wholeheartedly that
02:49:36
this discussion be tabled until the
02:49:41
next regular council meeting at 6 PM
02:49:45
because we have essential workers who
02:49:46
cannot be here at 3 PM today to meet
02:49:48
this. As it is a highly controversial
02:49:52
topic in our city and everyone wants to
02:49:55
be a part of a conversation there are
02:50:06
plenty of people, heroes, unsung
02:50:07
heroes, are essential workers as you
02:50:08
see her during COVID 19 just cannot
02:50:09
make this 3 PM meeting. Our store
02:50:10
clerks, our gas station attendees. Our
02:50:13
hospital workers. Just people who could
02:50:14
not be here at 3 PM. As we laid to rest
02:50:18
and remember her late Congressman John
02:50:21
Lewis who said, cross bridges and make
02:50:27
good trouble even if it makes people
02:50:28
uncomfortable we have to remember that
02:50:32
you may not like there's a lot of you
02:50:36
guys may not agree with me and I do not
02:50:38
bring forward this conversation about
02:50:40
statues. I've been here for three
02:50:44
years. I've always known about
02:50:45
Throckmorton. I find myself infatuated
02:50:47
with history of this country and
02:50:50
history of black people and what we had
02:50:53
to inter in America,, but I knew it
02:50:55
wasn't my place to bring forth the
02:50:58
statute because of the issues like this
02:51:00
that I would have to face being the
02:51:03
only black councilmember. It wasn't my
02:51:06
issue but this is bigger than the
02:51:11
statute for it's a representation. I
02:51:12
represent these constituents as you see
02:51:13
here. And it has nothing to do with the
02:51:15
statute. My constituents when the
02:51:18
statue removed then it is my obligation
02:51:20
to come bring forth their concerns
02:51:22
about the statute. If my constituents
02:51:25
want me to fix the street in district
02:51:28
1and it is my obligation to come bring
02:51:30
forth their concerns about the streets.
02:51:38
If it is a part they have a problem
02:51:39
with if it is street like to have a
02:51:40
problem with, and I'm going to come in
02:51:41
here and adjust their concerns. Whether
02:51:42
you like it or not. You cannot change
02:51:45
the time and make it a 3 PM meeting to
02:51:51
silence them or me. You cannot abruptly
02:51:52
end the meeting and go back there and
02:51:54
have any legal quorum and try to
02:51:56
silence me or my constituents. Doesn't
02:52:03
matter whether you like what I have to
02:52:04
say. It doesn't matter how I present it
02:52:06
. I'm going to address the concerns of
02:52:08
my constituents, whether you like it or
02:52:10
not. [Background noise] >> [Applause]
02:52:18
I am not here to address how I feel.
02:52:22
I'm not here to address what I like.
02:52:27
Because I do not bring forth the statue
02:52:30
because it's not about how I feel were
02:52:34
about what I like. But clearly, my
02:52:38
constituents have an issue with it.And
02:52:42
I'm going to address it. So I am asking
02:52:45
you guys to table this item to a time
02:52:49
where my working class constituents can
02:52:55
be here to address their concerns. And
02:52:56
I make a motion that we table this to
02:52:59
the next regular council meeting that
02:53:02
is at 6 PM and I would ask for a
02:53:05
second.
02:53:07
>> Ivan called for motions white
02:53:08
[inaudible] when we finished discussion
02:53:11
[inaudible]. [Background noise]
02:53:18
>> I will say a few things. I would
02:53:24
remind council Shemwell the mayor was I
02:53:27
trying to silence you. He was trying to
02:53:29
bring a point of order. [Background
02:53:32
noise] Trying to get calm and then
02:53:39
trying to speak and he was gonna give
02:53:40
you time to speak. But rules don't
02:53:41
apply to some people. And it's the
02:53:43
people out there just keep mouthing off,
02:53:48
that doesn't help your cause. It
02:53:50
really doesn't. [Background noise]
02:53:53
And I find it remarkable that this lady
02:53:55
came up here in a democratic shirt and
02:54:00
because Throckmorton was a great
02:54:04
Democrat. A great portion of history of
02:54:06
the Democratic Party is filled with
02:54:11
hatred and racism. The Democratic in
02:54:15
1846 supported slavery. In 1964 the
02:54:18
longest filibusters in history was the
02:54:23
Democrat did not want to pass the civil
02:54:25
rights bill and I'm sure most of you
02:54:28
consider yourselves good strong
02:54:31
Democrats and yet your party is filled
02:54:34
with hate and racism and history and
02:54:39
[inaudible] which is fine. I'm all
02:54:41
about forgiveness. Then, I see this
02:54:46
lady with a shirt. By any means
02:54:47
necessary. And I am reminded of my
02:54:50
ancestry. I'm a member of the church of
02:54:53
Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and
02:54:55
we have a history of prosecuting him a
02:55:00
persecution, in the 1800s. We left New
02:55:04
York and we settled in Missouri and we
02:55:07
were thriving in Missouri. [inaudible]
02:55:12
issued an extermination order for my
02:55:14
people. They said, get them out of the
02:55:18
state by any means necessary. They were
02:55:21
shot. They were raped. They
02:55:24
were driven out of the state of
02:55:27
Missouri and to Illinois and then they
02:55:31
had to move on to Utah. And the reason
02:55:35
I tell you that is because [inaudible]
02:55:39
and Boggs, he was buried in a cemetery
02:55:46
and buried and he had a stone statue
02:55:48
there and it had phone in disrepair.
02:55:51
So members of our church saw that and
02:55:54
they repaired it, basically gave him a
02:55:58
new headstone. And put nice things
02:56:02
about what he did and him and his wife.
02:56:06
Because it's about - - is not about
02:56:10
what he did. Is just not the fact for
02:56:15
what he did and we tell our kids about
02:56:17
it and I don't look at that headstone
02:56:20
with disdain or anger or anything else.
02:56:26
I look at that with sadness that this
02:56:27
man and the decisions he made in the
02:56:28
hurt because my people. So I think it
02:56:31
is worth us taking a look at slow down
02:56:34
and breathing and trying to figure out
02:56:37
what is the best thing to do here.
02:56:39
Because of the emails we get, I mean,
02:56:41
there are 60, 70 percent to keep the
02:56:42
statue. I realize that is not what is
02:56:43
here. But we have to listen to everyone.
02:56:47
So I think doing a committee is the
02:56:53
appropriate rational, let's breathe,
02:56:57
let's take a look at things. So that's
02:56:58
what I would support.
02:57:00
>> Councilmember Shemwell is correct.
02:57:04
I asked Lee brought this item. I by
02:57:08
design because it came to my attention
02:57:10
something in the committee that had the
02:57:11
propensity to build unrest. I thought I
02:57:13
wanted to bring it and have that
02:57:15
discussion. If in fact to her Shemwell
02:57:18
was something of unrest to district
02:57:22
when for three years, shame on you for
02:57:23
not bringing it up sooner. [Background
02:57:25
noise] But I brought it up. I brought
02:57:28
it up because I felt like we needed to
02:57:30
get in front of it. And have that
02:57:34
discussion. I stated that we needed to
02:57:36
form a committee and that we needed to
02:57:38
engage the community for a simple
02:57:42
reason it that people needed to stop
02:57:48
yelling past one another. And try to
02:57:49
hear one another. In hopes that what
02:57:50
ever decision is made the statue is
02:57:51
determined to be removed people will
02:57:53
understand the reason as to why that
02:57:55
statue has been removed. If it is to
02:57:58
stay with maybe contextual plaque,
02:58:01
people will understand why. I felt it
02:58:05
was important to just, number one, it
02:58:06
was also stated very clearly and
02:58:08
everyone appear gnosis - - that by
02:58:12
law, the statute. By looking process
02:58:14
of the statue if you want to remove it,
02:58:16
number one is that you have to file for
02:58:19
an application for that you have to
02:58:23
submit where you are going to be the
02:58:24
statue. It has to be approved by the
02:58:26
state. It's a historical antiquities
02:58:30
landmark and that process has to go. So
02:58:35
at that last meeting, which it doesn't
02:58:36
fit the narrative all the hate so it's
02:58:39
not repeated but if you go back and
02:58:40
watch the video, what I suggested and
02:58:42
what Ashley suggested and directed staff
02:58:51
with consensus, to go ahead and start
02:58:52
that permit process in the event that
02:58:53
is where the community landed. But I
02:58:54
know that doesn't fit the narrative to
02:58:55
it is not talked about. You know, I'm
02:58:58
going to adjust a couple things that
02:58:59
were said. I want to thank were known.
02:59:04
I truly do because he came in your at
02:59:05
the end of his comments he demonstrated
02:59:06
the same thing he was doing outside
02:59:07
with a bullhorn last week. And you
02:59:09
couple that with people with AR 15's
02:59:11
>> Point of order. Point of order.
02:59:12
>> Excuse me
02:59:13
>> Point of order Mr. Mayor.
02:59:14
>> [Background noise]>> Point of
02:59:16
order.
02:59:17
>> [Background noise]
02:59:23
>> Point of order. Point of order. You
02:59:25
can say that for the counsel comments
02:59:29
but right now we are on the agenda of
02:59:31
item.
02:59:32
>> You know it I will take that advice.
02:59:36
>> Yes.
02:59:37
>> I will take that advice actually.
02:59:38
When we have councilmember Thomas.
02:59:41
>> Yes. Point of order.
02:59:47
>> [Background noise]
02:59:48
>> Is there anyone else that hasn't
02:59:49
made a common yet appear on the item
02:59:50
before we vote on it?
02:59:53
>> Know we are having a discussion
02:59:54
>> Yes. Is there anybody also want to
02:59:55
discuss?
03:00:01
>> So, we are discussion. You have
03:00:02
something to say Mr. Mr. manager Mr.
03:00:07
Grimes?
03:00:08
>> I will call the question call the
03:00:10
vote
03:00:11
>> No. I have discussion!
03:00:14
>> [Background noise]
03:00:16
>> I have discussion.
03:00:32
>> Mr. Shemwell spoke initially.
03:00:33
>> Yes. I understand that. Mr. Grimes
03:00:34
is giving you sidebar but I have
03:00:35
discussion for the discussion goes back
03:00:36
and forth. It's on monologue. You had
03:00:37
something to say now that you said
03:00:38
something I have more comment.
03:00:39
>> I know that you hate this Mr.
03:00:40
Shemwell but actually preside over the
03:00:42
meeting. We need to move the item.
03:00:46
>> So, I will call this item to a vote.
03:00:53
>> No. I have discussion
03:00:54
>> After the motion you can discuss.
03:01:00
>> [Background noise]
03:01:03
>> So, I will make a motion that we
03:01:04
approve the resolution. However the
03:01:07
timetable needs we reduce. I don't if
03:01:08
Mr. - - if you are prepared to give us
03:01:11
, I think I wish we would have this
03:01:12
discussion last week, but how quickly
03:01:16
can we have this discussion or have
03:01:19
this committee. If we don't compromise
03:01:24
two things. We want to give them the
03:01:25
opportunity to get the information that
03:01:26
needs to be had for people to
03:01:27
understand and digest and two, citizen
03:01:31
comments. Citizen input whether that be
03:01:32
public hearing or have her that happens.
03:01:36
What is the quickest we could do that
03:01:38
without compromising on those things.
03:01:40
>> So, we had had the committee
03:01:41
essentially ad hoc committee meeting
03:01:44
once a month. We can have that twice a
03:01:46
month if you want to do that.
03:01:49
>> So, is that reasonable to everyone
03:01:51
appear?
03:01:52
>> Yes.
03:01:53
>> Yes.
03:01:56
>> Okay. So we can do it every two
03:01:57
weeks
03:01:58
>> We can do it every two weeks. We set
03:01:59
no more than four meetings, three
03:02:00
would be preferable so we can have two
03:02:03
in September. You have to council
03:02:08
meetings in October, October 6 which is
03:02:09
a work session and regular meeting. The
03:02:17
20th which is a work session or writer
03:02:18
meeting in the 27th which is a work
03:02:19
session. So if you want to bring it
03:02:20
back in October you have the sixth is
03:02:21
the earliest in your the 20th which is
03:02:22
a regular session.
03:02:23
>> [inaudible] we are in July. About
03:02:25
to be I guess. If we had three meetings
03:02:27
every two weeks that would give us six
03:02:32
weeks. Actually, four weeks is the
03:02:36
first meeting with Sartre as soon as we
03:02:38
form the committee but we would not be
03:02:39
able to do that until Wednesday first
03:02:45
meeting
03:02:46
>> Well, I think we had you coming back
03:02:47
to appoint the task force members on
03:02:48
August 4 I believe was a council meeting
03:02:50
>> Okay. August 4
03:02:51
>> Correct.
03:02:52
>> So, we schedule a meeting
03:02:54
approximately [inaudible] to give them
03:02:55
time it's a 10 day period. So maybe
03:03:00
where in mid-September
03:03:07
>> And, I don't have - -
03:03:08
>> In public input which is most abort
03:03:09
>> I don't have the counsel needs for
03:03:14
September. I do not look that up
03:03:15
>> Will need council meetings. What we
03:03:16
need vs. information. From the
03:03:17
committee to have full understanding
03:03:19
and then input by the community. Unless
03:03:24
there is an opinion different than that
03:03:25
I don't know we need to buy down the
03:03:32
parcel multiple council meetings during
03:03:33
it was I think we need information and
03:03:34
the unity involved and then we have to
03:03:35
have a work session would be my
03:03:36
thought. Does anyone think differently
03:03:37
than that?
03:03:40
>> [Speaker off microphone]
03:03:43
>> So, - - August is a
03:03:49
vacation month. Some people are going
03:03:51
now. So we may have members of this
03:03:53
committee don't know who they are yet
03:03:54
and they plans.. And so I'm trying be
03:03:59
mindful of that and realistically you
03:04:04
shared were [inaudible] a couple weeks
03:04:06
each. Realistically I think we are
03:04:13
probably not going to get before
03:04:14
October 6. I think October 6 is a
03:04:15
reasonable date. I think we can aim for
03:04:19
that for a report back to the city
03:04:20
Council and public media by the findings
03:04:21
and research and work done and the
03:04:23
counsel will have a little time either
03:04:25
to act or table it and continue the
03:04:34
discussion until October 20 but I would
03:04:35
say October 6 in my opinion is a
03:04:36
reasonable timeframe to give us time to
03:04:40
comprise the committee, schedule
03:04:41
meetings, get them there. Only the
03:04:42
majority [inaudible]
03:04:43
>> Well again by mid-September I was
03:04:45
only saying the first three meetings
03:04:47
will be done.
03:04:51
>> October 6 would be a very good
03:04:55
target
03:04:56
>> In reference I committee they might
03:04:57
saywe need four, five minutes. So I
03:05:00
want to have a little bit of cushion.
03:05:03
>> Sure. So my motion is that we
03:05:04
approve this resolution. We put
03:05:06
together this committee. Our target
03:05:08
date is October 6. Mr. - - if it
03:05:12
looks like if you're the point person
03:05:14
on this of the committee feels they
03:05:15
need more time or come to council we
03:05:19
will make a collective decision if we
03:05:21
move that beyond but the idea would be
03:05:22
to be thorough but not wasteful of
03:05:27
time. So that is my motion. Is there a
03:05:29
second?
03:05:30
>> Second.
03:05:31
>> A short discussion on the motion?
03:05:34
>> Yes. So the discussion is this and
03:05:38
any comments we have heard this phrase
03:05:40
of over and over again, of that the
03:05:43
majority of the community speak. But
03:05:46
the majority of the community, the most
03:05:49
of the community needs to be heard.
03:05:52
Any argument to that, is that as we saw
03:05:57
in our last council work session the
03:05:58
majority of the community is 60
03:06:00
percent, 61 percent white. There is no
03:06:06
possible way that 12 percent of the
03:06:07
black community of McKinney can vote
03:06:08
61 percent of the white community. That
03:06:11
seems to be the argument that always
03:06:15
has been the argument, the historical
03:06:17
argument, in this country is that if
03:06:20
the majority of white residents don't
03:06:23
seem to care or, our voices are
03:06:31
following a deaf ears then it doesn't
03:06:32
matter with the black residents feel
03:06:33
McKinney. And our feelings go what,
03:06:38
unhurt? Then this council puts on a
03:06:41
mock show of putting together a task
03:06:45
force to CYA, to cover your tales. So
03:06:52
when the majority comes back with a
03:06:53
response that we want to keep this in
03:06:54
place and Alisa was in thecouncil
03:06:59
persons who did it when the mayor says,
03:07:00
yes, you're right I put this on, shame
03:07:04
on you Shemwell you should've taken
03:07:05
charge you for the well if you're doing
03:07:06
such a thing to take charge then why
03:07:07
put it off on a task force? Take
03:07:13
charge and take only because the
03:07:14
majority of 61 percent of the white
03:07:15
community is going to outvote the black
03:07:18
residents who are the ones who are
03:07:19
suffering over this. So there is no
03:07:23
need to put on this mock show when your
03:07:26
residents are telling you, there is no
03:07:31
way that black residents make up 12
03:07:32
percent of this community can outvote
03:07:34
the majority. We hear it. We know this
03:07:36
doubletalk. We know what it means when
03:07:43
you say let the majority vote. We know
03:07:44
that means in this country when you say
03:07:45
that the majority vote. That means let
03:07:46
us have our white whale in the city.
03:07:50
Let us have our privilege in this
03:07:52
country. But that is my short
03:07:54
discussion.
03:07:56
>> Okay. Let it be known of them use
03:07:58
the words let the majority decide. Is
03:08:00
not been suggested. I want the
03:08:05
community to be engaged. I want
03:08:07
everyone to have the opportunity to
03:08:09
[inaudible]. To your point
03:08:11
>> Mayor, Shemwell, there's extreme
03:08:16
[inaudible] to what you said if we were
03:08:17
to put this out on a vote and some
03:08:21
referendum or some form like that.
03:08:23
That's not what is being suggested
03:08:25
here. Actually it specific to that very
03:08:31
reason. So the idea of the committee is
03:08:32
to engage the community and have open
03:08:33
public public hearings. I'm not even
03:08:35
directing to you at this point.
03:08:39
[inaudible] in my mouth that are not
03:08:41
accurate. [inaudible]. That is the - -
03:08:47
this is, make no mistake, there's not
03:08:48
about a majority vote this about a
03:08:50
committee to identify what is the
03:08:54
statue, what does it actually
03:08:57
celebrating. If it is to be removed,
03:09:00
where it would be moved? Would that be
03:09:04
approved by the state? If it is going
03:09:06
to stay doesn't stay as is? Does it
03:09:08
stay with more context and additional
03:09:11
plaque? All things that need to be in
03:09:17
a community discussion and as I've said
03:09:19
multiple times a gets lost in all this
03:09:22
chaos, is that the importance to that
03:09:23
is do not have what we have here. The
03:09:26
importance of that, I understand that
03:09:28
some people don't feel that it's
03:09:30
intimidating, but I assure you that
03:09:35
some people coming year to City Hall to
03:09:36
feel intimidated. Did you feel
03:09:38
intimidated. I'm not saying it's right
03:09:40
or wrong of course I understand they
03:09:43
are intimidated. I get it. So if we
03:09:46
could have a conversation and yes, let
03:09:51
me speak to that since everyone keeps
03:09:53
bringing that up. [Background noise]
03:09:56
Let me - - if I'd had definitive
03:09:58
response, [inaudible] on the spot and
03:10:01
it wasn't time for the city attorney to
03:10:03
consult with a Texas state ethics
03:10:07
commission or secretary of state or
03:10:09
whoever would have consulted to whether
03:10:10
or not I literally could move this man.
03:10:16
Otherwise I would have quite frankly.
03:10:17
However I assure you of this that there
03:10:18
will now be in the next agenda as long
03:10:23
as there's a site we will create a
03:10:24
ordinance that does provide us with
03:10:25
specifically the ability to prevent any
03:10:27
kind of symbol that we deem as a hate
03:10:29
symbol, that we deem inappropriate and
03:10:31
that will be [Background noise].
03:10:37
>> [Speaker off microphone]
03:10:38
>> We are on this item. I made a
03:10:39
motion. Is there a second for that
03:10:40
motion. Again the motion is for the
03:10:43
committee October 6 of the target.
03:10:45
Being flexible if we need to be that
03:10:46
will be a joint decision by the this
03:10:50
counsel. We have had discussion. Is
03:10:56
there anyone else would like to speak
03:10:57
to it
03:10:58
>> Mayor, can I clarify, everything
03:11:00
else on the resolution is fine. It's
03:11:06
the 11 members meeting no less than
03:11:07
three times. The bring back information
03:11:08
to council to decide.
03:11:09
>> [Speaker off microphone] November
03:11:10
date on
03:11:17
>> It does not.
03:11:18
>> Did it ever?
03:11:19
>> No. It did not. That something - -
03:11:20
that got lost in the fray.
03:11:21
>> [inaudible]
03:11:22
>> We will add that in the motion the
03:11:23
right I will make sure the 11 members
03:11:25
is fine. No less than three times. And
03:11:27
then they will be bringing information
03:11:28
back to counsel.
03:11:32
>> To
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>> Correct.
03:11:36
>> So, I will say this, too. We will
03:11:37
put on the agenda first staff to update
03:11:41
update us will get all get a feel of
03:11:42
how it's going, where it is going and
03:11:45
adjust and be nimble. Does that agree?
03:11:48
>> People keep saying did not get the
03:11:53
opportunity to speak because of
03:11:56
[inaudible]. There is times to speak
03:11:57
for the next-- until October. So if you
03:12:01
feel like you were not heard come out
03:12:04
again and be heard. We are not trying
03:12:08
to silence anybody. We would love to
03:12:09
hear your opinion. So come out and give
03:12:16
it. This meeting have to be
03:12:17
>> It happened to be at 3 PM. Again,
03:12:21
remember last meeting public comments
03:12:23
for the agenda item this agenda item at
03:12:27
the beginning of the meeting so
03:12:28
everybody that signed up to speak last
03:12:31
week spoke. Nobody was silenced. Every
03:12:33
single person that signed up to speak
03:12:34
for agenda items last week spoke at the
03:12:38
beginning of the meeting. Now if you
03:12:39
did not fill out a card I'm sorry. But
03:12:41
everybody we had [inaudible] I will ask
03:12:44
you to look it up but a lot of false
03:12:49
statements being made. [Background
03:12:51
noise] So we have a motion and second.
03:12:56
Would everyone please, cast your vote.
03:13:03
>> Roll Call Vote: The motion passes.
03:13:08
>> We will forgo the counsel comments
03:13:09
and that included [inaudible] but I
03:13:12
will forgo that. [Background noise]
03:13:30
We do have two non-agenda items
03:13:31
speakers that of registered. So they
03:13:33
will get to speak. You have two minutes.
03:13:39
Here it is. So - - Rolando, you sign
03:13:44
up to speak for non-agenda, is that
03:13:47
correct?
03:13:48
>> [Speaker off microphone]
03:13:49
>> Okay. Irene Lamb..
03:13:56
>> Good evening mayor and
03:14:00
councilmembers. I'm talking a different
03:14:02
subject. I'm going to take my mask down.
03:14:05
I have been a McKinney citizen for the
03:14:09
last 30 years, plus. Regarding the
03:14:15
senior citizen pool the last two years
03:14:18
have been swimming there and since the
03:14:19
pandemic the city closed that pool
03:14:23
and then now they said it will be
03:14:27
renovation until next year.So there is
03:14:29
not a place for me to swim and some
03:14:34
other senior citizens. So my drain if
03:14:39
the city has any alternative? I did
03:14:40
check out another outdoor pool but they
03:14:43
don't operate in the evening time,
03:14:46
which I work Monday through Friday. So
03:14:47
my question is, does council have any
03:14:51
plan to offer any alternative at the
03:14:55
other apex pool, where this kind of
03:15:02
[inaudible] price for that right now, I
03:15:06
Artie pay for a membership for the
03:15:07
senior pool and at the other pool they
03:15:09
said only a 60 year, plus, would get a
03:15:14
discounted price. Otherwise, you pay
03:15:15
approximately $60 a month. So, since
03:15:18
the pandemic, I guess the [inaudible]
03:15:25
to keep healthy and not get sick but
03:15:26
closing the pool that we cannot swim,,
03:15:29
it hurts our health. So I want to ask
03:15:30
and see if you guys have any
03:15:32
suggestions to help citizens to maybe
03:15:39
at a discounted price. Because I don't
03:15:40
know who decides the age of the senior
03:15:42
citizen. At the pool I swim it says
03:15:51
50, plus as a senior but in the other
03:15:52
pool it says 60. So I want to see if
03:15:53
council can help the citizens. Thank
03:15:57
you.
03:15:58
>> Thank you generally we don't respond
03:15:59
but let me tell you to contact the city
03:16:04
, if you leave your name and phone
03:16:05
number filled out a card with your
03:16:06
phone number on it? Yes him the Oaks
03:16:08
Apple reach out to you. That sounded
03:16:10
very reasonable. We will figure out a
03:16:11
solution for you and staff will call
03:16:13
you and talk through what that is.
03:16:19
>> I really appreciate that. Thank you
03:16:20
very much
03:16:21
>> Before we adjourn into executive
03:16:22
session to someone that will join me in
03:16:23
putting a discussion on our very next
03:16:25
meeting a ordinance oh give council the
03:16:27
ability to deem appear as a majority if
03:16:32
something is offensive or not to have
03:16:35
it removed from - - and removed from
03:16:39
chambers? Would someone join me on
03:16:40
that? Okay. So we will put that on the
03:16:47
next council meeting so we won't have
03:16:48
question about what our authority is or
03:16:49
is not.
03:16:50
>> [Speaker off microphone]
03:16:51
>> I'm going to ask everyone to forgo
03:16:58
but since it's on the agenda if you
03:17:00
want to I guess give them anyway
03:17:04
unprepared not to. I think it occurs to
03:17:07
me we are 50 minutes late for a P&Z
03:17:10
meeting and 50 minutes.
03:17:12
>> Yes. I have some comments.
03:17:17
>> Mark can we do it by consensus?
03:17:19
>> [Speaker off microphone]
03:17:21
>> Can you make it brief?
03:17:25
>> Councilmember B was I will forgo my
03:17:28
comments. We have the TIRZ - 15 minutes
03:17:33
late and another 50 minutes we are
03:17:34
planning and zoning meeting. And we had
03:17:39
ample opportunity for everybody to make
03:17:40
their comments here this evening so I
03:17:42
think it would be courteous to the
03:17:45
people of the P&Z meaning we should all
03:17:48
[inaudible] council comments
03:17:50
>> I will agree with that
03:17:58
>> I am not going to waive mine. I'm
03:17:59
going be courteous to my residents and
03:18:00
the consumers who give out there time
03:18:01
and took off their time seeing that we
03:18:02
are the city Council and where
03:18:08
planning and sewing do not supersede
03:18:09
council meetings. So these meetings
03:18:10
take precedence to TIRZ - and planning
03:18:12
and zoning. We appoint those want to
03:18:13
take all the time we need and give the
03:18:15
time that's due to our residents who
03:18:17
actually elect us to do city business.
03:18:21
So I'm going to take the time I need.
03:18:25
First Amanda [inaudible] who turned 90
03:18:26
years old and say happy birthday to
03:18:29
Juan Francis. As a district 1 resident
03:18:40
90 years old with after my grandmother
03:18:41
turned 71 years old so happy birthday
03:18:42
to my grandfather. I want to say I grew
03:18:43
up in Los Angeles. Was born and raised
03:18:44
in Los Angelesthat is because my
03:18:45
grandfather was born in Georgia fled
03:18:48
the South. My grandfather was born in
03:18:50
Georgia and they fled the South like so
03:18:51
many others who fled the South due to
03:18:54
racial persecution. See, here in I was
03:19:00
taught as young person to hear and see
03:19:01
and be aware of my surroundings.
03:19:03
Because my grandfather was a boy in a
03:19:05
racial and segregated South. Never went
03:19:08
to school with white folks. He taught
03:19:12
me, he fled the South never return to
03:19:15
the South. He was persecuted. And so,
03:19:21
when I came to Texas, I was raised, I
03:19:25
was taught, to be aware of my
03:19:28
surroundings. To be keenly aware, to
03:19:30
teach my children how not to move, how
03:19:34
to place my hands when pulled over and
03:19:36
how to be treated when around other
03:19:39
people do not look like me. So I'm
03:19:43
keenly aware of my surroundings. And
03:19:47
apparently, unbeknownst to some of
03:19:49
these people I sit on council with, I
03:19:51
was handed down those teachings for my
03:19:57
grandfather. And some oof these
03:19:59
teachings from people that I sit on the
03:20:00
dais with, they were handed down and
03:20:04
regurgitated the hate they were taught.
03:20:07
So there are lies and deceit that they
03:20:11
regurgitate because they were taught
03:20:13
that. So when the mayor says things
03:20:17
that put black and brown residents of
03:20:20
McKinney in danger, when he says things
03:20:21
like, those outsiders, that don't come
03:20:25
around, those are things that he was
03:20:29
taught maybe unbeknownst to him like I
03:20:32
was taught to be aware of my
03:20:33
surroundings for that when he says come
03:20:38
outsiders, those are things that allow
03:20:39
for slavery to exist for an additional
03:20:40
two years in Texas. See, by keeping
03:20:45
away outsiders, the slaves hear from
03:20:49
1863-18 65 did not know they were free.
03:20:52
So they frowned upon people like me
03:20:53
from Los Angeles when I came to Texas.
03:20:57
He ain't from around here. But I'm
03:21:02
keenly aware of my surroundings. If we
03:21:09
are going to dominate these
03:21:10
conversations about justice and equality
03:21:12
in moving forward and truth and
03:21:13
harmony, those conversations have to be
03:21:15
dominated with truth. But I understand
03:21:21
the doubletalk. When he says that we
03:21:26
were intimidated because we were black.
03:21:28
That black people were out there with
03:21:30
guns. Those conversations do not foster
03:21:34
an environment of inclusiveness. But
03:21:38
they stoke fear in the city. That
03:21:43
doesn't foster an environment of
03:21:46
inclusiveness but they have our
03:21:49
residents and neighbors talk about
03:21:51
shoot them all. And this isn't anything
03:21:55
new because I reach out to the city
03:21:57
manager to reach out to the chief of
03:22:00
police immediately when I saw those
03:22:03
text messages because I was concerned
03:22:04
about black residents.. And they told
03:22:12
me there wasn't much we could do about
03:22:15
ambiguous threats. So should we wait
03:22:18
until a mass shooting takes place in
03:22:20
the city of McKinney before we take
03:22:25
proactive measures? But then they want
03:22:37
to act like I'm the reason.
03:22:42
[Background noise] We have an
03:22:44
opportunity now as leaders to bring
03:22:47
this community together. Before this
03:22:51
meeting started there was a young
03:22:53
gentleman who came to me with tears in
03:22:54
his eyes and he poured out his heart to
03:23:00
me. And he'd not share the same skin
03:23:05
color as I do. And he said, I don't
03:23:09
agree with everything that you say or do
03:23:14
, but we must work together. And I
03:23:18
don't to see him die and I don't want
03:23:21
to die and went see any of you die. But
03:23:23
we are on a dangerous trajectory if we
03:23:27
don't come together and heal this
03:23:29
community together. And constantly
03:23:33
asking leaders on this dais to work
03:23:35
together. And with the mayor put out,
03:23:39
those lies was despicable. Not because
03:23:43
I don't like him. But because he put
03:23:49
residents of this community in harms
03:23:50
way. We have to do better Nobody should
03:24:00
live in fear in our city because two
03:24:08
people don't agree on ideologies.
03:24:09
Because two people don't agree on
03:24:11
politics. That is beyond childish, but
03:24:17
worse, it is dangerous. I am committed
03:24:30
to you guys to move in this community
03:24:36
forward. For true justice and true
03:24:40
harmony. But that only happens if we
03:24:46
speak and truths.. We don't have to
03:24:50
agree with another. We do not have to
03:24:56
likeone another. But we have to speak
03:24:59
honestly to one another. We can agree
03:25:06
to disagree. Incivility. But it has to
03:25:10
be done in truth. Not in lies and
03:25:17
deceit.The only way we can fix a problem
03:25:24
is at first admit we have a problem.
03:25:29
We have to get past the denial stage.
03:25:37
Thank you.
03:25:38
>> >> [Applause]
03:25:41
>> It's already been mentioned it was
03:25:51
difficult for a lot of you to be here.
03:25:53
So you heard it's been on the schedule.
03:26:01
It's been scheduled for 3 PM a long
03:26:02
time. Just my thoughts for
03:26:03
consideration by council. When you
03:26:06
schedule further p.m. it's [inaudible]
03:26:08
to take information in. Just a thought
03:26:13
to counsel maybe we start later because
03:26:14
if we change a work session on the
03:26:18
fourth Tuesday into a, - - I don't
03:26:23
know what the right word is - - are a
03:26:27
special meeting if we take it to a
03:26:33
specially where we have public input
03:26:34
and voting and things like that just
03:26:35
maybe to council that we take up her to
03:26:36
to schedule it later in the day even if
03:26:39
has to be on another day of the week.
03:26:40
The rules that we have are that I think
03:26:43
72 hours I have timewe can schedule
03:26:47
meeting. So just throw it out there for
03:26:49
council for discussion. Obviously I
03:26:51
received a lot of us received a lot of
03:26:54
texts and phone calls. Gosh come I want
03:26:57
to be there but I can't. So if we
03:27:00
change it to a special meeting just ask
03:27:03
you we consider the meeting at a
03:27:05
different time.
03:27:07
>> I will be very brief. I would agree
03:27:15
with you if we had not already had
03:27:16
public comments before that. So the
03:27:17
ideas we were going to deliberate.
03:27:19
There's been a lot of accusations about
03:27:23
the video. I stand by it I said in the
03:27:25
video. Where it becomes with someone
03:27:29
considers a lie and a not lie is maybe
03:27:31
for the came in your and spoke, you
03:27:33
heard Mr. Allen and the passion. One
03:27:37
way I can appreciate that, but to some,
03:27:40
apparently, there is no - - that's
03:27:44
not intimidation. Whether AR 14, 15,
03:27:47
whatever other weapons and bullhorns,
03:27:51
is not intimidating. So what I say that
03:27:53
I have been made aware of - - getting
03:27:58
text from people as a matter fact my
03:28:02
exact words not what they were blocking
03:28:03
people to come in. I stated I said at
03:28:06
least people felt that way conveying
03:28:12
they felt that way. Another important
03:28:13
nuance that gets lost in the fray. But
03:28:14
to some people I understand, I am lying.
03:28:20
A group of however many out there they
03:28:21
are AR 15's and bullhorns that's not
03:28:22
intimidating something that would scare
03:28:23
people in that I lied. That's not
03:28:24
intimidating. I can assure you all that
03:28:26
emails and text I've gotten and maybe
03:28:30
I'm to take a wild guess, that the
03:28:32
equal number of people that commented
03:28:34
that are coming here and some yelling
03:28:37
and screaming, there was an equal
03:28:40
number people that wrote them in. Now,
03:28:42
maybe they felt intimidated for the
03:28:46
everyone every email I got is that they
03:29:00
were not intimidated. They were not
03:29:01
going to be coming here for the there's
03:29:02
also a comment about weapons two weeks
03:29:03
before. I've asked a number times,
03:29:04
first of all, for anyone that doesn't
03:29:05
know, we don't have x-ray vision. We
03:29:06
can see outside that door so if there's
03:29:07
actually people with weapons, all say
03:29:08
it again it's not a lie I've no idea
03:29:09
from people from - - I'm told that
03:29:10
the white synchronous group with
03:29:13
weapons vote there's no video. If you
03:29:14
want to see the video we talk about
03:29:16
tonight [inaudible] has it and people
03:29:17
will determine for themselves whether
03:29:19
there was an intimidation factor aside
03:29:21
or not. Then if you believe not, and
03:29:26
say that's a light would say that's a
03:29:27
difference a weapon but either way, I
03:29:28
conveyed what was conveyed and I stand
03:29:31
by it, period. I've much more to say. I
03:29:34
will put out my public comments or
03:29:36
council comments tomorrow online
03:29:44
because I think they are important. But
03:29:45
with that we are to move to executive
03:29:46
session. And in accordance with 55107
03:29:50
causally with attorney on any pending
03:29:53
or kindly litigation vs. Vincent are
03:29:58
Emmanuel and Betty Dimino in the County
03:29:59
Court lot number six: County we will
03:30:03
talk about this in executive session.
03:30:07
One minute.
03:30:08
>> >> [Closed Session]
03:30:30
>> We are back in session. Is there a
03:30:33
motion?
03:30:34
>> Yes. I move [inaudible]
03:30:39
[Background noise]
03:30:41
>> I will second that.
03:30:43
>> There is a motion and a second.
03:30:51
Please, cast your vote.
03:30:53
>> Roll Call Vote: The motion passes.
03:30:57
>> Motion to adjourn?
03:30:58
>> So moved.
03:31:01
>> Second.
03:31:02
>> All those in favor say, aye.
03:31:03
[Chorus of ayes.]
03:31:05
>> [Gavel]
03:31:17
>> [Event concluded]