00:39:24 >> [Gavel]
00:39:25 >> I will call the meeting to order.
00:39:26 Today is Tuesday, July 28, 2020. We are
00:39:27 in council chambers at 222 North
00:39:28 Tennessee St. in the great city of
00:39:31 McKinney Texas. Before we start the
00:39:37 meeting I ask the gentlemen in chambers
00:39:41 to remove the flags. The policy that there are
00:39:43 no flags represented in the chamber
00:39:48 other than the two flags behind us. The
00:39:49 American flag and Texas flag. I will
00:39:51 ask council if they concur with that
00:39:55 policy?
00:39:56 >> I concur.
00:39:57 >> So moved.
00:39:59 >> Okay.
00:40:02 >> I concur.
00:40:04 >> Mr. Shemwell.
00:40:09 >> [Multiple speakers]
00:40:10 >> You have a ordinance for open
00:40:16 flags. There's a black lives matter
00:40:17 teacher right there. [inaudible]. Why
00:40:20 does he get to have a T-shirt if I can
00:40:22 have this?
00:40:23 >> Sir, -- my right you speak --
00:40:32 >> [Multiple speakers]
00:40:33 >> You are invading my right you speak.
00:40:34 >> You are now disrupting my meeting.
00:40:36 >> [Speaker off microphone]
00:40:38 >> I'm going to ask you again, please
00:40:40 put the flag down.
00:40:44 >> I will not put the flag down, no.
00:40:46 Right there, black lives matter.
00:40:50 [inaudible]. Right there, black lives
00:40:54 matter. They can have those T-shirts
00:40:55 but I can have a Confederate flag. Why?
00:41:03 Why do that get our flags and mean,
00:41:04 not.
00:41:05 >> Again all asked you to stop
00:41:06 disturbing - -
00:41:07 >> I will stop talking, right now. I
00:41:08 made my point.
00:41:14 >> [inaudible]
00:41:19 >> There is a law if you disrupt my
00:41:20 meeting I can - -
00:41:21 >> [Speaker off microphone]
00:41:22 >> I'm not going to say another word.
00:41:23 >> You are not quiet. You continue to
00:41:24 talk. City attorney.
00:41:26 >> [Speaker off microphone]
00:41:29 >> Sir, you have a choice at this
00:41:32 time. We can have this man escorted out
00:41:34 for disrupting the meeting. I've a
00:41:38 feeling that's what you would like. So
00:41:42 instead I don't want to get our police
00:41:46 deposition. I'm going to tell you that
00:41:47 speaking for myself, I believe I'm
00:41:48 speaking for the council that they
00:41:50 agreed that we do not fly that flag. I
00:41:58 find it in tremendously in poor taste.
00:41:59 I don't condone it. I think it is a
00:42:01 provocative step in the very wrong
00:42:03 direction where we are trying to be
00:42:08 headed. But I will not have you removed
00:42:09 although I absolutely have the
00:42:10 authority to have your move toward
00:42:11 disrupting the meeting. You don't have
00:42:15 to video. It'll be posted tomorrow a
00:42:16 nice clear HP version of it so you
00:42:17 don't need your phone out but, chief, I
00:42:18 will not ask you to escort him out. I
00:42:22 will just make it very clear, as I
00:42:26 have, for those here offended by that,
00:42:29 I apologize. I hope you understand my
00:42:31 decision to not have him removed for
00:42:33 disturbing the meeting. I think again,
00:42:35 it will just create something that maybe
00:42:45 is desired. It certainly not desired
00:42:46 by me and the council. So, with that,
00:42:47 we will continue for two things.
00:42:48 There's been a lot of chatter about
00:42:49 this meeting being moved to 3 PM to
00:42:58 avoid winning to hear people. That is
00:42:59 inaccurate. This meeting has been
00:43:00 scheduled for quite some time. It's a
00:43:01 special meeting we had for a work
00:43:02 session. It's the next available
00:43:12 meeting that's why it's at 3 PM. At
00:43:13 5:30 PM we have a TIRZ - meeting at 6
00:43:14 PM there is a PNC meeting. That's why
00:43:15 we need today at three. In absolutely
00:43:16 no way shape or form is it is I do not
00:43:17 hear anybody. In regard to public
00:43:22 comments, I know there's a lot of
00:43:23 people here to make comments. Were to
00:43:24 proceed with our first work session item
00:43:31 . Let that happen. It's going to take
00:43:33 45 minutes. Then, afterward, we will
00:43:34 have public comments. So for those who
00:43:35 are here and made the journey, I
00:43:40 apologize again. This has nothing to do
00:43:41 with trying to delay the meeting but we
00:43:42 had our first scheduled business from
00:43:46 months ago that we have to get done.
00:43:51 And then they can leave the room the
00:43:52 make room for [inaudible]. So, with
00:43:57 that, we will moved to item 20.00 65
00:44:08 presentation on air service and related
00:44:09 airport improvements at McKinney
00:44:10 national report by Pegasus Associates.
00:44:20 >> Good afternoon Mayor
00:44:28 councilmembers. City manager
00:44:30 Grimes--city staff and guests. When
00:44:36 McKinney leadership inquired of Pegasus
00:44:37 Associates if it remained interested in
00:44:38 designing, constructing, equipping,
00:44:42 managing and operating a
00:44:43 state-of-the-art airline passenger
00:44:44 terminal, constructing a second
00:44:48 crosswind runway together with the
00:44:51 necessary ramp taxiway and nearside
00:44:52 infrastructure to support foster and
00:44:59 sustain commercial airline service at
00:45:00 McKinney national Airport, Pegasus
00:45:01 answer, most definitely. Pegasus
00:45:03 Associates and its McKinney national
00:45:04 Airport working with partners Abernathy
00:45:08 Road or Boyd Holick, HKS, architects,
00:45:12 net alliance, Sage group, architects
00:45:14 and Turner construction remain firmly
00:45:18 committed to achieving that office
00:45:20 stated objective with the overarching
00:45:23 goal of introducing regularly scheduled
00:45:24 commercial airline service to McKinney
00:45:27 national Airport. Pegasus Associates
00:45:32 has engaged financing through net
00:45:35 alliance whose Houston-based principals
00:45:37 have stated a closing can occur within
00:45:40 90-120 days following the execution of
00:45:42 the term letter agreement. Between the
00:45:43 city of McKinney and Pegasus. Pegasus
00:45:48 has provided previously to the McKinney
00:45:50 city Council and McKinney leadership
00:45:54 passenger and plane forecasts, a
00:45:55 financial model to that together with
00:46:00 supporting data on which has been
00:46:01 reviewed and validated by consultants
00:46:02 retained by the city at the direction
00:46:03 of the McKinney city Council. In 2019
00:46:09 the McKinney city Council elected to
00:46:10 open Pegasus Associates commercial air
00:46:18 service imperative to competition and
00:46:19 in so doing extended invitations to
00:46:20 parties to submit of interest for you
00:46:21 by McKinney city Council manager Grimes
00:46:26 and city staff. It is Pegasus
00:46:27 Associates understanding only two
00:46:28 respondents were deemed qualified of
00:46:29 which, Pegasus was one. The global
00:46:35 COVID 19 virus pandemic has been
00:46:36 particularly challenging for the
00:46:37 airline industry worldwide. Pegasus
00:46:44 Associates recognizes business and
00:46:47 leisure air travel is not likely to
00:46:48 return to peak-COVID 19 levels in the
00:46:49 near-term. Possibly not for two or
00:46:50 three years. Together with our TTI
00:46:55 partners we have every confidence these
00:46:56 two - excuse me - the two N.
00:46:57 Texas-based Airlines American Airlines
00:46:59 and Southwest, as well as other US and
00:47:00 international air carriers which will
00:47:08 most likely reemerge as smaller more
00:47:09 efficient carriers, will continue to be
00:47:10 vital components of the North Texas
00:47:14 economy which McKinney can be a
00:47:16 beneficiary by agreed to partner with
00:47:17 Pegasus to implement the air service
00:47:18 imperative. In conclusion, Pegasus
00:47:19 Associates realizes this to-three year
00:47:23 window provides at this moment an
00:47:24 extraordinary, perhaps a
00:47:29 once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, to
00:47:30 construct a modern state-of-the-art
00:47:31 terminal, a second runway that will
00:47:33 benefit both general and commercial
00:47:36 aviation components of McKinney
00:47:37 national Airport upon completion. These
00:47:38 air site improvements together with
00:47:40 economic development opportunities,
00:47:48 both on and off airport property, will
00:47:49 most certainly result McKinney national
00:47:50 Airport being an integral component
00:47:52 throughout North Texas as well as the
00:47:53 national air transportation system.
00:48:02 Just as reliever airports currently
00:48:03 serve major domestic and international
00:48:04 air transportation markets, including
00:48:05 but not restricted to Chicago,Los
00:48:06 Angeles, New York, San Francisco, and
00:48:08 Texas Houston, when commercial air
00:48:10 service imperative is realized,
00:48:18 McKinney national Airport will emerge
00:48:19 as an airport that is complementary
00:48:20 with Dallas-Fort Worth international
00:48:21 Airport, and Dallas will field for the
00:48:22 benefit of commercial airlines
00:48:30 passengers the city of McKinney and the
00:48:31 entire North Texas region. Time now is
00:48:32 on our side. And the time to act, is
00:48:33 now. Thank you very much.
00:48:34 >> Good afternoon. My name is Neil
00:48:40 Albrecht, chief operations officer at
00:48:43 Pegasus. There we go. These next few
00:48:54 slides, for the sake of brevity were
00:48:55 just going to scan through them. You
00:48:57 can look at them at your leisure. They
00:48:58 show that McKinney airspace does not
00:49:00 conflict with any of the existing two
00:49:04 airports. At all. Anyway, chose the
00:49:11 different geographical areas and things
00:49:13 like that. We what we want to talk my
00:49:14 first is the economic impact to the
00:49:17 city and to the county. TX-DOT [inaudible]
00:49:34 sporting 993 jobs and payroll of the
00:49:35 64.3 million. We use the same TX-DOT
00:49:38 format and indices coupled with our
00:49:43 forecast [inaudible] of almost 800,000
00:49:44 pastors, 17 daily departures, to
00:49:45 forecast our economic impact. Beyond
00:49:49 airport economic amounts impacts, mount
00:49:53 through 618 jobs totaling $433 million.
00:49:58 The capital improvement components as
00:50:02 advised by construction is 200 jobs or
00:50:09 $79 million. The visitor impact, we
00:50:10 simply double the TX-DOT aviation
00:50:13 estimate. The multiplier equated to 958
00:50:17 jobs, 162 million. The total is 1916
00:50:21 jobs created. At $433 million.
00:50:27 Additionally, we will be donating about
00:50:29 $100 million to the city. Pegasus would
00:50:31 also pay the city a percent of gross
00:50:33 revenues of five percent first year
00:50:37 value. That's about $1.2 million in the
00:50:41 city's two percent allocation in sales
00:50:42 tax from parking and concessionaires
00:50:43 would amount to 165,000. Hence, the
00:50:48 total of 535 million. Other direct
00:50:53 economic impact: these areas we cannot
00:50:56 accurately measure. However we are
00:50:59 certain they will be beneficial
00:51:04 economic impact. Things such a special
00:51:05 rental car and hotel room taxes, future
00:51:06 airport development facilities. Odd
00:51:08 stands for express rater aircraft and
00:51:12 airport hotel foreign trade zone, etc.
00:51:16 Additionally, Pegasus will reimburse
00:51:17 the city for the incremental capital
00:51:19 Quitman costs associated with police
00:51:21 crash fire rescue and airport
00:51:27 maintenance people. Scheduled
00:51:28 commercial service will most certainly
00:51:34 increase McKinney's appeal for
00:51:35 corporate relocations. The citizens of
00:51:36 McKinney will also benefit by increase
00:51:37 property values as a consequence of
00:51:38 this economic stimulus. Along these
00:51:44 lines, these incremental revenues
00:51:45 received by the city will mitigate
00:51:46 future real estate tax increases and
00:51:48 fund future quality-of-life projects
00:51:50 which the city may have in mind. In sum,
00:51:53 commercial air service will positively
00:51:56 impact McKinney and Collin County by
00:51:58 over $1 billion. I want to talk for a
00:52:02 second about public private
00:52:03 partnerships. Very common. The airport
00:52:09 council a trade group advises 51 of the
00:52:17 100 busiest airports in the world at
00:52:18 least some level private management.
00:52:19 UK, 1987 was one of the leaders in this
00:52:20 area when the [inaudible] so the
00:52:22 private entity that Randy major airport
00:52:25 in the country including London
00:52:26 Heathrow. In 1997, Congress passed the
00:52:31 airport privatization by the program.
00:52:34 Which allowed by the owners to lease
00:52:36 and operate portions of an airport.
00:52:46 Anything from a single terminal to the
00:52:47 whole airport. Two years ago, in 2018
00:52:48 the FAA updated the program hoping to
00:52:49 boost private as isolation and
00:52:50 rechristened the program. It is now the
00:52:51 airport investment partnership program.
00:52:55 After the 1997 act, San Juan
00:53:02 international and [inaudible]
00:53:03 privatize. San Juan privatized in 2013
00:53:04 and it has been a great success. In
00:53:08 late 1990s, the mid-1990s,
00:53:11 -- Dutch airport
00:53:13 authority ago she had privatization of
00:53:15 JFK's international terminal four. More
00:53:20 recently, the new LaGuardia central
00:53:24 terminal will be managed by a Canadian
00:53:25 firm. The FAA updated airport
00:53:26 investment partnership programs as
00:53:32 mentioned, was specifically intended to
00:53:33 encourage these types of arrangements.
00:53:35 The proposed agreement: we want to give
00:53:39 you a brief overview of our proposal.
00:53:44 Pegasus will build come out of it and
00:53:45 operate a state-of-the-art passenger
00:53:48 terminal facilitya new crosswind
00:53:49 runway. Associated ramp and other
00:53:50 facilities required to support
00:53:52 commercial airline services. All all
00:53:55 subject to a master plan. Pegasus will
00:54:13 have rights through development of
00:54:14 language Pegasus will have acquired as
00:54:15 a consequence of the airport expansion,
00:54:16 which will actually be donated to the
00:54:17 city of McKinney into of crown rental.
00:54:18 The construction of the passenger
00:54:19 terminal Eastside taxiways and ramp
00:54:20 areas will be prioritized. Consequently
00:54:21 the financing and construction may
00:54:22 occur in separate cases. The term of
00:54:24 the agreement, the agreement will be
00:54:25 commensurate with the duration of the
00:54:26 bonds. Pegasus pre-financing expenses
00:54:31 and usual and customary fees and
00:54:32 charges associated with bond issuance
00:54:34 will be included in the capital
00:54:38 requirements. All terms and conditions
00:54:39 are subject to mutual agreement between
00:54:40 the city and Pegasus and they will all
00:54:51 conform to city, state and federal
00:54:52 regulations and building codes. Pegasus
00:54:53 will consistently brief the city on the
00:54:54 progress of the project and we will
00:54:55 seek your concurrence in matters of
00:54:56 design and constructionas well as
00:54:57 coordinate the city and management of
00:54:58 passenger terminal and other
00:54:59 operational areas where appropriate.
00:55:01 Time to act is now. Just a short time
00:55:06 ago the aviation industry was booming.
00:55:07 Then came the pandemic which resulted
00:55:09 in a severe drop in demand to business
00:55:11 and leisure travel. The industry will
00:55:16 recover. Most say, in about two years
00:55:17 and by then, new McKinney commercial
00:55:19 airline terminal could be ready.
00:55:24 Boeing, Airbus the airlines and US in
00:55:25 general are counting on a recovery.
00:55:28 Recently, there's 387 737 Max aircraft
00:55:38 about to be recertified. The FAA has
00:55:39 begun the process of recertification.
00:55:40 The airworthiness directive by which
00:55:41 the world air carriers will upgrade the
00:55:47 aircraft is happening now. Soon, those
00:55:48 aircraft another new aircraft will join
00:55:49 the fleet of US carriers. Any older
00:55:50 aircraft have been retired but the
00:55:52 replacements are about to be delivered
00:55:53 and will be put into service. At the
00:55:57 same time, there are new airlines about
00:55:58 to be born. Lobo Crossing is one of
00:56:00 them. They're working to their FAR 121
00:56:07 certification process but expect to be
00:56:08 flying by 2021. They will operate A320
00:56:15 aircraft in flight from various points
00:56:16 across US and Canada to Atlantic City.
00:56:17 The second one, breeze, is very
00:56:18 exciting. It's founder is David Newman.
00:56:22 He was the founder of Moore's air which
00:56:23 was sold to Southwest in the 1990s.
00:56:26 Subsequently, he founded JetBlue and is
00:56:30 a will which a very successful
00:56:31 Brazilian ch carrie he completed the
00:56:36 certification process and will fly a
00:56:38 220 aircraft. These will offer
00:56:41 point-to-point service for smaller
00:56:42 markets for the other scheduled
00:56:43 airports like Fort Worth, Austin, Gary
00:56:48 Indiana, Chicago, Burbank, New York,
00:56:54 Louisville, Las Vegas, open,
00:56:58 centerfield in Orlando Florida, Trenton
00:57:03 and set of Philadelphia and many other
00:57:04 services. I think McKinney would
00:57:05 certainly have some appeal to them. The
00:57:08 area. If North Texas-- the population
00:57:11 would tie Washington state as 13th most
00:57:14 populated state and GDP would be 12
00:57:22 between Massachusetts and Virginia.
00:57:23 West Texas has the most diverse economy
00:57:24 in the US and medium ages young. Collin
00:57:38 County, Kern County's population is
00:57:39 over 1 million about the same as Tucson
00:57:40 Arizona. Which is the 53rd largest
00:57:41 metropolitan statistical area in the
00:57:42 US. Tucson is served by eight airlines.
00:57:43 Having 50 flights per day to 19 on stop
00:57:45 destinations. As we mentioned beginning
00:57:46 airport project now will allow the air
00:57:49 line enough time to allocate equipment
00:57:50 resources to adequately plan schedules.
00:57:52 The airlines will also want to advise us
00:57:55 about features they will require.
00:57:56 Funding is available interest rates are
00:57:58 at record lows. Net alliance is ready
00:58:03 for this project once definitive
00:58:04 agreement is reached. The project itself
00:58:07 is concerned with state and federal
00:58:09 national restructure goals as well as
00:58:16 the city Council's own fiscal year 2020
00:58:17 goal of bringing commercial air service
00:58:18 to McKinney. The FAA in-flight rules
00:58:24 forecast for the period 2022 2040 shows
00:58:25 an increase of annual aircraft handled
00:58:26 from 43.5 million to 59.7 million, or
00:58:33 about 40 percent. Clearly, the US will
00:58:34 need more terminals and runways. The US
00:58:39 suffers an infrastructure remediation
00:58:40 gap while the US spends about 400
00:58:46 billion per year on infrastructure, it
00:58:47 is still not enough. Why wait for
00:58:48 funding when it's available now?
00:58:50 Lastly, way too long and perhaps other
00:58:51 cities in the area will decide to
00:58:53 develop commercial service. Possibly
00:58:58 [inaudible] McKinney airspace. Next --
00:59:01 in order to receive we need you to join
00:59:05 with us. We know letter of intent or
00:59:06 term sheet. Once we have the letter of
00:59:08 intent we can jointly meet with TX-DOT
00:59:10 Department of aviation and brief them
00:59:17 on our plans. Next we will let the FAA
00:59:18 know what we want to accomplish and
00:59:19 asked them with help and guidance. Of
00:59:24 course, we need all the help and
00:59:25 support we can muster so we think
00:59:26 letting our Texas Senators Congressman
00:59:27 and Gov.'s office know about the
00:59:28 project is crucial. A critical next
00:59:32 step is meeting with airlines. Net
00:59:33 alliance access to high-level
00:59:37 decision-makers at the airlines. They
00:59:38 will help us. Once we complete those
00:59:40 steps, and net alliance has due
00:59:48 diligence compliant completed will be
00:59:49 ready to sign a definitive agreement.
00:59:50 Funding can follow to 90-120 days. Now,
00:59:54 our team will correlate with the city
00:59:55 to acquire needed land, there are BID
01:00:01 packages construction can begin and
01:00:02 meanwhile we will work on landing the
01:00:03 rates, rates and use fees license and
01:00:07 concession agreements. Schedule airline
01:00:08 service can begin and 18-24 months. In
01:00:11 summary, no funding is required by the
01:00:12 city of McKinney. Furthered the city
01:00:17 encourages no liability. The city gets
01:00:18 a new state-of-the-art Covid compliant
01:00:21 passenger terminal. The new crosswind
01:00:25 runway will alleviate current
01:00:26 congestion and reduce the noise their
01:00:34 points noise profile. The city acquires
01:00:35 750-1000 acres which will be added to
01:00:36 the airport. At no cost to the city.
01:00:39 Almost 2000 well paying jobs will be
01:00:42 created. Over $1 billion per year in
01:00:44 economic benefit will be realized.
01:00:47 McKinney and all of Collin County will
01:00:49 become even a greater magnet of
01:00:53 corporately locations. In sum, it's
01:00:56 McKinney's exclusive economic stimulus
01:01:00 plan for the city has everything to
01:01:01 gain, and nothing to lose. Marvin?
01:01:07 >> Before you start, people outside
01:01:11 the chamber, we can hear all the
01:01:15 talking and it can be disruptive. So if
01:01:19 I can ask you very respectfully to keep
01:01:20 it down until this hesitation is done.
01:01:23 I greatly appreciated. Thank you.
01:01:25 >> [Speaker off microphone]
01:01:28 >> I am Marvin Brad -- with Pegasus
01:01:31 and this is the Pegasus team that will
01:01:35 finance and design and construct the
01:01:39 commercial service imperative for TKI.
01:01:41 First, I like to point out net
01:01:44 alliance our financial partner and - -
01:01:48 and they will speak first and then I
01:01:50 like to introduce our design and
01:01:54 construction, the Sage group and HKS
01:01:59 for master plan and facilities design.
01:02:00 And Turner constructionor construction
01:02:02 management. First, we will hear from
01:02:04 Todd Graham, of alliance, our
01:02:08 finance binder.
01:02:19 >> Good afternoon. Thanks. I will be
01:02:20 as brief as I can because I know we are
01:02:21 on the clock there's a lot of folks
01:02:22 behind me with some important stuff to
01:02:23 say. My name is Todd Graham for
01:02:24 managing director of natural and
01:02:25 securities. We are in Austin-based
01:02:31 boutique investment bank with an
01:02:32 institutional sales and trading on with
01:02:33 offices in New York and in Austin. I'd
01:02:34 be are in structure finance investment
01:02:38 banking practice. Senior investment
01:02:39 banking researcher finance leadership
01:02:40 has nearly 70 years experience in
01:02:42 financing infrastructure assets. We are
01:02:47 excited to be part of this project. Is
01:02:48 been under his session for a while.
01:02:51 There is no question in our mind that
01:02:57 the appetite among institutional
01:02:58 investors for quality infrastructure
01:02:59 assets with quality operators, and
01:03:05 quality locations is very real and it
01:03:06 is they are. Visa, this is a highly
01:03:14 unusual time and markets have been
01:03:15 disrupted significantly under the Covid
01:03:16 experience, but the reality is we sit
01:03:17 in an environment of long-term low
01:03:18 interest ratesand those institutional
01:03:19 investors all over the globe looking
01:03:20 for quality assets to invest in. So we
01:03:24 are excited to be here we are etc. the
01:03:25 project. Having to answer questions you
01:03:26 have and reach out and we can answer
01:03:28 those. I will go back. Sorry.
01:03:34 >> Now, I like to describe howPegasus
01:03:47 intends to make passenger service at TKI
01:03:48 a reality. Until Congress the city
01:03:49 Council's fiscal year 2020 build
01:03:50 three.Our scope of work is that Pegasus
01:03:56 will design and construct all what's
01:03:57 required to achieve an operating
01:03:58 airport for new scheduled commercial
01:03:59 passenger service. That means all
01:04:00 facilities equipment and systems. This
01:04:05 effort will include but is not limited
01:04:06 to, the following airfield and landside
01:04:12 facilities: a master land-use plan for
01:04:13 alt landside development:. A new
01:04:17 multi-lessons or terminal which will
01:04:18 look to the future and technology and
01:04:25 will open with initially with four
01:04:26 gates. Later expandable two additional
01:04:27 gates. It will build on the east side
01:04:31 north side runway 1836.
01:04:33 Areas and taxiways. A new crosswind
01:04:35 runway known as 1331. It will be
01:04:40 constructed at north end of the
01:04:43 existing runway. One or more of the on
01:04:45 airport land parcels will be dedicated
01:04:52 to business opportunities. Such as a
01:04:53 hotel and conference center for
01:04:54 example. And will be available for
01:04:55 lease to qualify parties as the
01:04:58 airport is built out. Design and
01:05:01 construction of the airport:Pegasus
01:05:07 will engage aviation experienced firms
01:05:08 that have seasoned leadership to meet
01:05:11 budgets, meet schedules and to build
01:05:13 quality construction. We envision the
01:05:18 air side and landside architectural and
01:05:19 engineering designs to proceed
01:05:23 concurrently. The construction phase
01:05:24 will be managed by a single
01:05:25 construction manager. Construction
01:05:27 delivery will be a construction manager
01:05:29 at risk contract form guaranteeing a
01:05:32 maximum price and completion date. Now,
01:05:37 each firm represented here today was to
01:05:39 their respective part. First, Curtis
01:05:46 Young Sage group architects and Eric
01:05:47 Nelson of HKS architects will describe
01:05:51 the design process and what they
01:05:52 envision. And that will be followed by
01:05:57 Dave Turner, of Turner construction
01:05:58 company who will provide construction
01:05:59 management for the project. So, Kirk.
01:06:04 >> In this process and plan as we
01:06:07 look to the future you mentioned
01:06:14 billions of dollars of economic impact
01:06:17 going into the future. Anywhere in the
01:06:21 plan [inaudible] going into the future
01:06:24 is there a process in the plan for any
01:06:27 of those dollars to be allocated for
01:06:30 minority contractors, 30 percent or any
01:06:32 in this plan to be dedicated to
01:06:35 minority contractors or any of those
01:06:36 billions of dollars to help accomplish --
01:06:42 >> Good question.
01:06:43 >> Yes, sir.
01:06:45 >> [Multiple speakers]
01:06:49 >> That's okay. I need to ask him so
01:06:50 they can address it later.
01:06:52 >> Yes, sir. That very point is
01:06:57 addressed following the speaker.
01:06:58 >> Thank you Mr. Chair.
01:07:08 >> All of counsel that we no questions
01:07:09 during the presentation. They have a
01:07:10 certain amount of time. They flown in.
01:07:11 I will make sure they get to their
01:07:12 presentation. There will be time for
01:07:13 questions and if not we will follow-up.
01:07:14 No questions until it's over.
01:07:17 >> What type of council this is where
01:07:18 we cannot ask presenters questions?
01:07:20 >> Patrick, let them finish their
01:07:23 presentation. We are eating into their
01:07:25 time. Finish their presentation then
01:07:28 ask any question.
01:07:30 >> They honestly have a discussion
01:07:32 with its proper adequate you
01:07:34 councilmembers to ask questions. At the
01:07:44 end is when the mayor presided over the
01:07:45 Manning opens up the questions. Right
01:07:46 now, please come again let them finish
01:07:47 the presentation.
01:07:48 >> I assure you our presentation went
01:07:51 your questions.
01:07:52 >> I appreciate that.
01:07:53 >> Mayor members of council my name is
01:07:59 three with Sage group with me is Eric
01:08:00 Nelson with HES. We represent the
01:08:03 design team for the McKinney national
01:08:04 Airport. And we are pleased to be
01:08:05 before you here today to speak about
01:08:08 this. Speaking to his question,
01:08:10 generally, the design team will in the
01:08:12 contractors involved with that will
01:08:15 make a 25, 30 percent minority
01:08:17 participation just in general, but we
01:08:22 will be with the Sage group working on
01:08:23 the master land-use plan for the
01:08:28 airport where everything goes and what
01:08:29 have you. We worked closely with HKS as
01:08:34 the designers of the terminal and other
01:08:35 structures that will go on that. In the
01:08:39 interest of, medical write to them and
01:08:40 let them give their presentation. Eric.
01:08:42 >> Thank you. My name is Eric Nelson
01:08:49 with HKS. Happy to be here today to
01:08:50 talk about this exciting project with
01:08:51 the city Council and Mayor. I'll start
01:08:54 out about HKS will HKS is a global
01:08:55 architectural firm that has local
01:09:00 roots. As such, we have a dedicated
01:09:02 aviation practice. This is some of our
01:09:10 leadership at the aviation practice.
01:09:11 These people alone have over 100 years
01:09:12 combined experience in aviation design
01:09:20 and planning. Going back to HKS, I'd
01:09:23 say were a global firm which allows us
01:09:24 to draw expertise from around the world
01:09:25 and around the country but we were
01:09:26 founded in 1939 here in Dallas. We
01:09:27 still maintain our headquarters in the
01:09:28 city of Dallas and it is our largest
01:09:31 office. That will be where we actually
01:09:32 produce the design for this project.
01:09:36 With that, global expertise we bring to
01:09:43 the project, we are able to do all of
01:09:44 the design for the landside structures
01:09:45 such as terminals, concourses, planning
01:09:49 fire stations, Intermodal
01:09:50 transportation, hotels, etc. As part of
01:09:57 that we also maintain a lot of
01:10:05 relationships, business relationships,
01:10:06 with other global leaders with design
01:10:07 and contract including engineers for
01:10:13 mechanical electrical structural civil
01:10:14 and other disciplines as needed. In
01:10:15 addition to that, over time we are large
01:10:16 healthcare firm as well. We develop a
01:10:17 group called the HKS advisory group,
01:10:19 which researches and develops new master
01:10:29 priority business plans for particular
01:10:30 starting with healthcare plans but it's
01:10:31 involved in all our different clients
01:10:32 and how to manage things like infection
01:10:33 control and other items like that so
01:10:34 that we have the cutting edge ideas and
01:10:39 plans in place especially in these two
01:10:40 times with a Covid 19. As you can see
01:10:43 we are spread throughout the country so
01:10:46 we are able to draw insurance from a
01:10:48 lot of different places. Now all hopped
01:10:59 through some of our portfolio here.
01:11:00 This is the DFW terminal D. I'm sure
01:11:01 you're familiar with that. We designed
01:11:02 this. As was the grand Hyatt and the
01:11:06 parking garage. Right now the grand
01:11:07 Hyatt is going to refresh we are
01:11:08 involved with. We also did a
01:11:10 headquarter building for DFW airport.
01:11:15 Right now we also have an on-call
01:11:16 contract at Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson,
01:11:19 which includes everything from terminal
01:11:20 refreshes, two new fire stations
01:11:22 andother things on that list. There are
01:11:29 some shots of our modernization. We are
01:11:30 trying to bring more light and air into
01:11:31 the project. As you can see here. We
01:11:41 are also doing a five gait extension to
01:11:42 Hartsfield which is a similar size to
01:11:43 McKinney will start with. Integrating
01:11:44 this new part of the building with the
01:11:45 renovations that we are doing. As you
01:11:47 can see.In addition to that, we are
01:11:53 also working on San Francisco's Harvey
01:11:54 milk terminal one was up this is a
01:11:56 hybrid domestic and international
01:11:58 terminal. So they can interchange the
01:12:06 gates between domestic and
01:12:07 international flights. It's also zero
01:12:08 net energy building. So this building
01:12:09 will use no more energy than it
01:12:11 actually produces which is pretty
01:12:12 unique and airport world. This thing is
01:12:16 also, this design is also a design
01:12:22 around passengers to make you feel
01:12:23 comfortable in such a busy airport and
01:12:24 is also even extension of San
01:12:25 Francisco Museum of Art as you can see
01:12:26 the sculpture they are. And lastly,
01:12:32 this is the Gerald R Ford Airport
01:12:38 expansion in Grand Rapids Michigan.
01:12:39 This is an eight gait extension will
01:12:45 stop we use a lot of natural light in
01:12:46 this project because were so far north
01:12:47 you have a lot of dark winter months so
01:12:49 we are trying to enhance natural light
01:12:54 during daylight to save energy and also
01:12:55 for passenger comfort. You can see the
01:12:56 different seating areas such as lounge
01:12:58 seating and typical seating as well.
01:12:59 And also included concessions and bars
01:13:02 and places to hang out as you're
01:13:04 waiting on you a your fligh. There is
01:13:08 the dark winter in Michigan.With that,
01:13:13 thank you very much. Appreciate your
01:13:15 time.
01:13:16 >> Thank you.>> I'll turn it over to
01:13:19 Dave Wilber with Turner construction.
01:13:27 >> Hello. Thank you for having us. My
01:13:35 name is P Peter Ramstad vice president
01:13:36 and executive with Turner construction.
01:13:37 I'm here with also Dave Wilber to talk
01:13:38 about what we have to offer. Turner a
01:13:41 little bit about Turner. Turner is a
01:13:43 118-year-old construction company,
01:13:46 number one general builder in the US.
01:13:50 Number one construction manager at risk
01:13:51 builder in use number one pre-builder
01:13:53 in the US. Depending on the air, you
01:13:56 will see we are usually the top
01:13:58 aviation builders in the year as well.
01:13:59 As far as aviation like Turner we have
01:14:06 over 25 active aviation projects right
01:14:07 now underway for not to go through all
01:14:08 the rest of the numbers, we will leave
01:14:12 that you but in particular to all these
01:14:13 various projects we have, we also do a
01:14:15 lot of baggage handling as well.
01:14:18 Aviation experience: we have
01:14:21 experienced from coast to coast with
01:14:22 every major airport in the US. Several
01:14:27 airports internationally as well.
01:14:28 Locally within Texas we have
01:14:29 experienced at DFW San Antonio and
01:14:31 Houston. We of course like the bigger
01:14:47 projects because they're more complex
01:14:48 but we don't just do the terminals. We
01:14:49 also do some of the smaller municipal
01:14:50 airports and also some of the general
01:14:51 aviation projects as well. So what
01:14:52 Turner has to offer is a wide variety
01:14:53 of flexibility, scalability, depending
01:14:54 on which the city of McKinney needs.
01:14:55 Not justto all the terminals but we
01:14:57 also do lab specialties stuff as well.
01:14:58 We have experience with the aircraft
01:15:00 rescue and firefighting facilities.
01:15:04 Aprons, runways, taxiways, and of
01:15:06 course,the fixed base operations that
01:15:16 are required at some municipal
01:15:17 airports. We also do some of the
01:15:18 general evasion projects as well. So I
01:15:19 went to give you a broad overview of
01:15:20 Turner what we have to offer and with
01:15:21 that I'll turned over to with Dave
01:15:22 Wilber to talk about our engagement on
01:15:25 our side and our minority plans. Thank
01:15:33 you
01:15:34 >> Good afternoon. I am Dave Wilber
01:15:35 vice president operations manager for
01:15:36 North Texas office.. I been with Turner
01:15:37 for 39 years. The last 26 years here in
01:15:47 Dallas. We do talk a little bit about
01:15:48 the contracting method and or
01:15:49 construction approach. So we would the
01:15:50 majority of our work is-- risk which is
01:15:51 being proposed here. Our approach to
01:15:56 that is fully open book. Anything we
01:15:57 have shared with all the participants.
01:15:58 We work activelywith the design
01:16:00 partners in our development partners to
01:16:01 make sure that the cost to design
01:16:07 stays what it is budgeted and ensures
01:16:08 that we finish up that way. And we
01:16:15 provide a price and commitment
01:16:16 guarantee to the developer as well to
01:16:17 the city to this process. One other
01:16:21 thing you heard about our size. We
01:16:22 bring national buying power and
01:16:23 national leverage to ensure that
01:16:25 performance. So to answer question
01:16:26 about minority approach, so we have a
01:16:30 commitment regardless of the contract
01:16:33 that we have a commitment to hire local
01:16:36 minority and women owned businesses.
01:16:38 And that is part of our - - that's a
01:16:52 focus in active strategy on every one
01:16:53 of our projects and we will bring that
01:16:54 here. You will hear a little more about
01:16:55 it but we have outreach events for
01:16:56 local businesses minority and women
01:16:57 owned businesses to ensure the project
01:16:58 is packaged correctly to facilitate
01:16:59 their use. We give and we done it for
01:17:00 the last 51 years,a training program
01:17:01 every yearfor local and historically
01:17:10 underutilized minority women owned
01:17:11 businesses call Turner school of
01:17:12 construction management. It's a 13 week
01:17:13 program that goes through the different
01:17:16 aspects of what could be safety, it
01:17:17 could be scheduling, it could be a
01:17:18 business development plan It gives
01:17:28 smaller firms, educates them and give
01:17:29 them greater capacity to work on our
01:17:30 projects as well as other projects.
01:17:31 That something we have been doing for
01:17:32 51 years. What we also --
01:17:33 I mentioned to you, we have a
01:17:35 commitment regardless of the contract
01:17:38 type, to utilize minority local and
01:17:39 women owned businesses historically
01:17:46 underutilized businesses. This is just
01:17:47 a graph to show some local projects
01:17:48 that are recent that we have exceeded
01:17:49 the goals that were set for that
01:17:51 particular project in that utilization.
01:17:54 So I hope I answered your question.
01:17:56 >> Thank you. I appreciate it.
01:18:03 >> Mayor members of city CouncilBob to
01:18:06 local attorney. I can havesummary
01:18:11 presenting so without speaking ears I'm
01:18:12 going to take just a few minutes. This
01:18:13 has been - - in this project has been
01:18:14 in the works actually since 2007. The
01:18:18 first time around, we got right up to
01:18:22 the [inaudible] and 4-3 vote city
01:18:27 Council decided it wasn't the right
01:18:28 time. Since that time, to the present,
01:18:30 the numbers of employment in this area
01:18:33 have grown astronomically. The amount
01:18:36 of economic development in the Collin
01:18:39 County and North part of the Metroplex
01:18:42 has also grown exponentially. So we
01:18:48 decided we would come back around this
01:18:50 time. What you have seen before you
01:18:54 today with the people that made the
01:18:55 presentation, are not welterweight's,
01:18:58 Mr. Rogers. These are heavyweights in
01:19:01 the industry. Pegasus has put together
01:19:05 a team here that I don't think can be
01:19:06 matched by anybody at any time anywhere
01:19:15 for this project. It is a unique
01:19:16 project. It's a public-private project.
01:19:17 It's unit project in that the private
01:19:18 sector, my clients are going to pay the
01:19:20 way was up they are going to get their
01:19:22 money back through revenue bonds,
01:19:26 revenue financing which is a very
01:19:27 typical infrastructure financing
01:19:29 mechanism. So this is not pie in the
01:19:33 sky. This is a reality. It just on a
01:19:35 bigger scale for different type of
01:19:38 project than what we are used to. So I
01:19:39 urge you to move forward on this project
01:19:47 with haste because of all the reasons
01:19:48 that have been presented to you before.
01:19:49 And I'm going to turn it over to Joe -
01:19:50 - to wrap up.
01:19:58 >> Thank you Mr. Roeder. We have about
01:19:59 12 minutes, 30 seconds left for
01:20:06 questions. And I'm not going to stand
01:20:07 here and pretend to be able to answer
01:20:08 all of those. So if you will direct
01:20:09 your questions to the desk we will get
01:20:11 the expert to answer the question time
01:20:13 permitting.
01:20:14 >> Thank you. I'm going to yield my
01:20:18 time since [inaudible] presentation
01:20:21 from first letter of page since last
01:20:23 letter page. By the time I finished
01:20:27 talking this is going to give each
01:20:31 councilmember two minutes to ask
01:20:32 questions and get an answer. And I
01:20:35 really apologize. Stop the clock if you
01:20:36 would for a second. I want to apologize
01:20:37 to you guys.. This is - - this
01:20:41 meeting was supposed to be just of
01:20:42 course this issue subject and I know
01:20:43 people have flown here around the
01:20:46 country to be here to present which is
01:20:49 a big deal. This a huge thing for the
01:20:50 city of McKinney for it to be
01:20:54 considered to have it rushed, and have
01:20:55 it in this environment is very very
01:21:05 [inaudible]. Obviously, there are
01:21:06 things happening right now across the
01:21:07 country that are very very important as
01:21:08 you know. So I'm sure you'll give us
01:21:09 the grace that you understand but does
01:21:10 not take away from the fact that I'm
01:21:11 sorry that timing has put you here at
01:21:15 this moment with everything was going on
01:21:21 attracting our attention. And rightly
01:21:22 so. So you have 12 minutes. I'll start
01:21:28 with-- each councilmember will have
01:21:29 two minutes and they are timed and once
01:21:30 the bell rings, these, to the courtesy
01:21:31 of the next council person stop the
01:21:35 answer. Then I'm in encourage everyone
01:21:40 here this is a very important subject,
01:21:41 we will be able to - - everybody ill
01:21:44 be able to put cautions together and
01:21:45 email them. I ask you that everyone is
01:21:49 opportune because of the former
01:21:50 questions that you could possibly ask
01:21:51 you in two minutes. Probably a futile
01:21:52 exercise to do it anyway but this is
01:21:56 very important. I think much of the
01:21:58 information in the presentation are
01:22:04 questions answered earlier of course
01:22:05 very much already answered the
01:22:08 presentation but there will be other
01:22:09 questions. That are not in the
01:22:10 presentation. So you will coordinate
01:22:11 every what opportunity to assemble
01:22:14 questions. I'm sure there will be many
01:22:20 and you guys will be respond that way.
01:22:21 Mark, of course we will make sure that
01:22:29 [inaudible] so, sorry to council. Sorry
01:22:30 to the people presenting. Sorry for
01:22:31 those who have waited but I will yield
01:22:32 my time. We will start the clock. Two
01:22:40 minutes on each. If you want to start
01:22:41 you can if not I'll start at the other
01:22:42 end.
01:22:43 >> I will start. I guess I'm not going
01:22:44 to apologize to you guys since I'm new
01:22:49 to the space when dealing with rich
01:22:53 folks. So I apologize you guys for that.
01:22:58 But when I sit on the council and I see
01:23:01 the deferential treatment two
01:23:08 different presenters, when I see rich
01:23:09 folks coming here and you get the red
01:23:12 carpet rolled out and you get apologize
01:23:14 to, I'm not used to that kind of
01:23:16 treatment. Because as a councilmember
01:23:20 you are a presenter like no other
01:23:22 presenter. And when I have questions I
01:23:25 get to ask you guys the questions and
01:23:30 I'm entitled to get answers because I
01:23:31 was elected by my constituents to ask
01:23:35 those questions and get the answers. So
01:23:38 I apologize if for some reason I
01:23:43 disrespected you all for having the
01:23:45 audacity to ask a question that I do
01:23:47 not have the answer to. So I am sorry
01:23:50 if you feltsome [inaudible] about that
01:23:56 and for some reason the mayor believes
01:23:58 that different people get different
01:23:59 treatment when they walk into this
01:24:04 council chambers. That I treat
01:24:05 everybody the same.
01:24:11 Everybody to treat us the same when you
01:24:12 come here. For him to try to berate me
01:24:13 on this dais because I asked you all a
01:24:18 question that's the same treatment that
01:24:19 I give everybody. No matter the amount
01:24:21 of salary that you make. No matter the
01:24:26 title that you hold. So I am sorry and
01:24:29 forgive me for asking or thinking that
01:24:31 I'm entitled to the samerespect of
01:24:34 being a councilmember that I deserve
01:24:39 by being elected to this position.
01:24:41 [Timer sounds]
01:24:42 >> Mr. Franklin.
01:24:47 >> I would just like to think this
01:24:48 group for coming forward. I remember
01:24:55 seeing this project in 2007. I don't
01:24:56 know if it's the same group that you
01:24:57 put together this time, but it's very
01:25:00 impressive. There has been a need here.
01:25:04 I've seen his need for a long time. I'm
01:25:07 glad you are back and I'm hoping that
01:25:08 in the future we can do something good.
01:25:13 That's all I have.
01:25:20 >> Mr. Frazier.
01:25:21 >> Yes. I have a few questions. Thank
01:25:22 you guys for coming and especially
01:25:23 during Covid. Most people are wanting
01:25:28 to stay home and not move because of
01:25:29 this. Thank you for coming to our city.
01:25:30 Hope you enjoy as much dummies you have
01:25:31 here. I know many of the phones here. I
01:25:32 know Bob [inaudible] so I think he's
01:25:35 the only one that works in the
01:25:38 department. My question is, what are
01:25:40 some of the areas or I guess, nation my
01:25:43 project that are similar to ours that
01:25:45 you have worked on and comparable to
01:25:52 what we are about to do or what we are
01:25:53 wanting to do here and who is your main
01:25:54 competitor on the same type of
01:25:55 projects? [inaudible].
01:26:06 >> I will be able to answer by the
01:26:09 competitor. Sorry about that but we are
01:26:10 doing several - - as Peter mentioned
01:26:12 we do large airports but we do several
01:26:15 exactly like this. Smaller municipal
01:26:16 and I think the last one that was on,
01:26:20 when of our slides was $75 million,
01:26:25 eight gate one or two runway project
01:26:28 that's very comparable. We are doing
01:26:31 one in Albany right now. There's been
01:26:34 several.
01:26:39 >> Is that complete it?
01:26:40 >> I'm going to have to follow up and
01:26:41 get that answer for you.
01:26:42 >> Okay. I think Bob has something
01:26:43 behind you.
01:26:45 >> I was going to add that the
01:26:55 construction project themselves, you
01:26:56 will see replicated into brocade
01:26:57 throughout the United States. It's
01:26:58 really the financing mechanism that's a
01:26:59 little unique here, in that this is an
01:27:00 infrastructure financing project and so
01:27:04 maybe Todd can get up and speak to the
01:27:05 type of this real quickly.
01:27:16 >> Intestine seconds or less.
01:27:17 >> So, we specialize adjust to Dacian
01:27:18 assets. That's what we do from parking
01:27:19 to aircraft to ports to all sorts of
01:27:20 things that involve seal in an air and
01:27:21 while it's unusual [Timer sounds]
01:27:23 It's not out of the realm of what's
01:27:24 being done. >> Thank you. Mayor pro tem.
01:27:28 >> I have a load of questions. If you
01:27:32 could figure out some - - email me
01:27:34 and let me know who to talk to. I like
01:27:37 to know the finances on the benefits to
01:27:41 the city and financing aspects and all
01:27:43 that stuff. I be very interested in
01:27:44 that. So whoever can up with that if
01:27:46 you will give me [inaudible] a number
01:27:50 or email?
01:27:51 >> Yes. Mark will set up a method for
01:27:53 us to do that where it's accessible to
01:27:57 the entire public?
01:28:13 >> Yes.
01:28:14 >> Mr. Rogers, just quickly, of course
01:28:15 I'll do that and be happy to do that.
01:28:16 Bottom-line is, we are not looking for
01:28:17 the city McKinney to put one dollar,
01:28:18 one penny, into the project. What we
01:28:19 are looking for is the opportunity to
01:28:20 earn back over a period of time through
01:28:21 a long-term management agreement the
01:28:22 investment that is being made. Much of
01:28:23 the investment is going to be payback
01:28:24 to federal passenger facility charges
01:28:26 that are collected each time a person
01:28:29 buys a ticket into plain from air.
01:28:36 Other revenues we used to pay back the
01:28:37 debt will be concessions, rentals, and
01:28:38 all that other kind of stuff. The
01:28:39 common activity that you see in every
01:28:40 airport.
01:28:42 >> So, my biggest fear with all of this
01:28:44 is you are doing this, getting all your
01:28:47 financing and stuff like that, and it
01:28:50 fails to the point where we have big
01:28:51 buildings and an airport. Are there
01:28:58 projects out there that were failed to
01:28:59 a point where there just boarded up?
01:29:01 >> Not to our knowledge. I will say
01:29:03 this, you guys are not going to
01:29:13 underwrite this anywhere close to what
01:29:14 national alliances going to underwrite
01:29:15 this to, and if they are comfortable
01:29:16 with it moving forward I'm going to bet
01:29:17 on their due diligence, that the
01:29:18 chances of this being a dark building
01:29:19 after it's been done are slim to none.
01:29:20 >> Okay. Thank you.
01:29:22 >> Councilmembers, I have two, three
01:29:29 questions. In the era of Covid, we have
01:29:33 things that are in progress. Is there a
01:29:35 example where you are building a
01:29:38 special environment, especially
01:29:41 designed to handle Covid and the needs
01:29:43 we have our potential new airport?
01:29:50 >> As I said, in the presentation but
01:30:01 we do have a research group that's
01:30:02 continually working on this. It's a new
01:30:03 problem. But we have been working for
01:30:04 it on it a long time. It's evolving as
01:30:05 we go along and we also have to go back
01:30:13 it was some of our other facilities and
01:30:14 re-look at this with some of our
01:30:15 clients but I can get you more
01:30:16 specifics on the items that we are
01:30:17 working on the direction we are going
01:30:18 to you guys can see that if you let me
01:30:19 get that information and get it back
01:30:20 over to you.
01:30:21 >> That would be great. I be
01:30:22 interested in what's going on right now
01:30:23 in the progress, research is great but
01:30:24 that will explain what that might look
01:30:29 like to our citizens when they go out
01:30:30 to visit, that would be a tremendous
01:30:31 help.
01:30:32 >> Yes. No problem.
01:30:33 >> Thank you.
01:30:38 >> Mr. Phelps.
01:30:39 >> Like to know the complete legal
01:30:40 name of Pegasus and where you are
01:30:41 [inaudible] looking at Pegasus across
01:30:42 the country. Also, if you have FAA
01:30:49 clearance for the second runway and are
01:30:50 you going to build that runway first?
01:30:57 Before anything else is built because
01:30:58 that's the way I would like to see it
01:30:59 done. Finally, I like to know about the
01:31:00 acquisition of land. Are you not going
01:31:01 to need the city to come into eminent
01:31:08 domain proceedings in order to obtain a
01:31:09 property?
01:31:10 >> We start from the back and it were
01:31:11 to the front if I could to the
01:31:12 councilmember. We more than likely will
01:31:14 need the city of McKinney's eminent
01:31:15 domain assistance in doing that. Part
01:31:16 of our presentation and part of the
01:31:19 term sheet we submitted back 2.5 years
01:31:22 ago to the city indicated that we would
01:31:25 pay the boat for that but we would
01:31:27 probably need to have certain cases,
01:31:30 the city's eminent domain capability. I
01:31:38 thought it was can be real smart and
01:31:39 take the first one. The crosswind
01:31:49 runway. No. We plan to start with the
01:31:50 existing runway. We will have to build
01:31:51 on the side of it. The crosswind runway
01:31:52 would be a runway that would be built
01:31:54 in probably the second phase or at
01:31:56 least as phase 1 but timed after
01:32:00 commercial services already start up on
01:32:01 the main runway. Again, we have got to
01:32:05 acquire the land to do that because it
01:32:06 stretches further to the southeast.
01:32:09 That's one of the reasons but we
01:32:10 believe that with a smaller footprint
01:32:13 of land acquisition we can put a new
01:32:19 taxiway on the Eastside the current
01:32:20 runway and put all the hard side that
01:32:24 we need and we can get commercial
01:32:25 passenger service started.
01:32:26 >> [Speaker off microphone]
01:32:30 >> It will be in the future. We hope
01:32:32 not well. It depends on the acquisition
01:32:38 of the land and of courses in the Lake
01:32:39 Lavon areas we probably have some
01:32:40 environmental issues and all that kind
01:32:41 of stuff.
01:32:42 >> We have clearance - - [Timer
01:32:44 sounds]
01:32:45 >> We do not because we have not gone
01:32:46 to the FAA yet. As you look at the
01:32:52 charts, the FAA is about three, four
01:32:53 steps down the ladder. We don't think
01:32:54 there will be any issue.
01:32:55 >> Thank you.
01:32:57 >> [Speaker off microphone]
01:33:00 >> The legal name just for everyone's
01:33:03 edification
01:33:04 >> It is, Pegasus Associates. I don't
01:33:09 know whether it is an LLC. It's been in
01:33:10 a mill so long it might be that we need
01:33:14 to renew the charter but right now,
01:33:15 it's out there just for the purpose of
01:33:17 putting this group together.
01:33:22 >> It's a Texas corporation.
01:33:23 >> It would be Texas, yes.
01:33:26 >> [Speaker off microphone]
01:33:27 >> No it would not be Chicago.
01:33:30 >> Bob, thank you. Probably nobody
01:33:32 misinterpreted anything treating you
01:33:35 differently or [inaudible]. I have no
01:33:37 idea. What I do know I apologize to you
01:33:39 and everyone in the room for waiting.
01:33:51 >> [Technical delay]I think all that is
01:34:07 tremendously important for the side.
01:34:08 It's a huge priority. Is been part of
01:34:09 my platform before I [inaudible] so I'm
01:34:14 excited you guys are here. Thank you
01:34:15 for being here. Again I do apologize
01:34:16 for being rushed. Mark will consult
01:34:19 with you, Bob and it's important that
01:34:22 everybody in the general public to
01:34:27 [inaudible].. There is - - if the
01:34:32 board to have questions asked and
01:34:33 answered in the settings so the public
01:34:35 in here. Being that-- we will have to
01:34:40 figure out it we done so let everyone
01:34:41 know watching that it will be in a
01:34:42 format that everybody can view the
01:34:44 questions at that each to brass and
01:34:48 what those answers are. I don't know we
01:34:49 have done that in the past I'm sure
01:34:50 smart people can figure it out.
01:34:53 >> [Speaker off microphone]
01:34:54 >> We might use a website and create
01:35:01 an open forum page that will be
01:35:02 accessible by councilmembers. Okay. We
01:35:03 will work that out for everyone out
01:35:04 there all those questions will be asked
01:35:07 and answered and open information. So
01:35:08 thank you, guys very much.
01:35:09 >> Thank you.
01:35:10 >> Thank you.
01:35:11 >> Safe travel. All right. We are now
01:35:18 going to go to citizen comments. I need
01:35:22 to understand how many citizen comments
01:35:23 do we have? That will determine we
01:35:26 have for each commentor.
01:35:37 >> [Speaker off microphone]
01:35:38 >> Has everybody outside that once you
01:35:39 speak today and they filled out a
01:35:40 comment card? Is there any about their
01:35:41 if you can raise your aunt if you've
01:35:42 not filled out a comments card and you
01:35:43 want to speak?
01:35:44 >> [Speaker off microphone]
01:35:45 >> You want to speak? You want to
01:35:48 speak?
01:35:49 >> [Speaker off microphone]
01:35:51 >> All right. Is there anybody else?
01:35:54 Okay.We are going to take a 2-minute break.
01:35:56 >> >> [Recess]
01:36:04 >> All right. We are going to move to
01:36:07 citizen comments. We have 23 here to
01:36:10 speak. We have a number of cards with
01:36:15 comments that are not going to speak
01:36:16 and we have at least 23 comments that
01:36:21 were cemented online that we are going
01:36:22 to read. That we have to read today. In
01:36:23 the future, so everyone has noticed, in
01:36:25 the future, comments that are entered
01:36:31 online will be of record. They will be
01:36:32 visible of able to any and everybody
01:36:33 but they will not be read. Now, we may
01:36:37 make an exception to that if there is
01:36:40 an item, if there's one or two comments
01:36:42 but in general, plan on any comments
01:36:47 submitted online will not be read live
01:36:50 during the meeting. They will be posted.
01:36:53 Today there was not - - that was not
01:37:01 conveyed to people. I don't think
01:37:02 appropriate Lisa we are going to read
01:37:03 every single comment. That gives us 47
01:37:06 people. As everyone knows there's a
01:37:07 time constraint today so two minutes. I
01:37:10 will call your name and also give the
01:37:13 next person that is up. So if you
01:37:18 would please, once you come up and
01:37:19 speak and I'll call your name before
01:37:20 the person begins the second person if
01:37:21 you will come and stand right here
01:37:25 inside the door, right at the door
01:37:27 ready that would be helpful and it will
01:37:30 be - - everyone will have the time to
01:37:33 speak. We are now - - take this card
01:37:49 whenever there is the we know other
01:37:50 cards accepted today. However, if
01:37:51 you're unable to speak you can also go
01:37:53 online and make sure those comments are
01:37:54 entered as well. So members of this
01:37:58 will be the last card accepted. Again,
01:38:02 anyone wanting to make a comment you
01:38:03 can do so online and it will be part of
01:38:06 the record and available for the
01:38:08 entirety. I will start with, those who
01:38:14 filled out a card and you don't wish to
01:38:17 speak. Brent Callan has stated that she
01:38:20 wishes or supports remove the
01:38:24 Throckmorton statue. Kriesberg Casper
01:38:28 is in support of removing the
01:38:31 Throckmorton statue. Andy Watkins is in
01:38:34 support for removing the Throckmorton
01:38:38 statue. Natalie Bassett, is in
01:38:42 opposition to removing the statue.
01:38:46 Though I hope I did not get that wrong.
01:38:51 The box for opposition is checked
01:38:52 within it says, just remove statue, so
01:38:57 Natalie, I apologize if I got your
01:38:58 comment wrong. Joel Ortega opposition
01:39:02 against forming a committee for the
01:39:05 removal of statue. I'm guessing that
01:39:08 means he wants the can statue removed.
01:39:14 Still unfortunately the same list of my
01:39:17 speakers. Unless Mark Doty is planning
01:39:20 on speaking? I'm doing public comments
01:39:22 right now. Rolando McCarty and also the
01:39:27 Rolando will be misty walk. So
01:39:30 Rolando McCarty followed by Misty Cook.
01:39:38 Evening everyone. I would just like to
01:39:39 take the time to re-Luke chapter 18 it
01:39:45 says and Jesus told his disciples a
01:39:46 parable to show them that they should
01:39:47 always pray and not give up. He said,
01:39:49 in a certain town there was a judge.
01:39:52 And he neither feared God nor cared
01:39:56 about men. And there was a widow in
01:39:58 that town kept coming to them with a
01:40:00 plea, grant me justice against my
01:40:02 adversary. For some time you refuse but
01:40:07 finally he said to himself, even though
01:40:08 I don't fear God or care about men, yet
01:40:15 because this widow keeps bothering me I
01:40:16 will see that she gets justice. So that
01:40:17 she won't eventually wear me out by her
01:40:19 continuously coming. And the Lord said,
01:40:20 listen to what the unjust judge says.
01:40:23 And will not God, not bring about
01:40:27 justice for his chosen ones who cry out
01:40:28 to him day and night? Will he keep
01:40:30 putting them off? I tell you, he will
01:40:34 see that they get justice and quickly.
01:40:37 However when the Son of Man comes he
01:40:42 will find [inaudible]. I bring this to
01:40:43 you guys because whether you believe in
01:40:44 a just God or not, he is. And he is God
01:40:49 and he is a God of justice. Whether you
01:40:50 care about what people think about what
01:40:51 you think about the Throckmorton
01:41:00 statue, or God himself it doesn't
01:41:01 matter. It doesn't change the truth
01:41:02 that God is and he is a God of justice.
01:41:03 There is no way we do not see the
01:41:08 wrongdoing that is going on in this
01:41:09 community. We can act like we don't see
01:41:10 it we can act like it doesn't exist but
01:41:12 we are not blind. Not either of us in
01:41:15 here are blind to what is happening..
01:41:19 Globally, nationally and locally. It is
01:41:25 happening and God will not sit by idly
01:41:26 and watch us just continue, continue to
01:41:31 oppress those that cannot speak for
01:41:32 themselves. To continue to deny justice
01:41:33 to those who cannot do it for
01:41:37 themselves. How dare we behave in such
01:41:39 a manner? Any of us that call
01:41:45 ourselves Christians and we do not
01:41:46 stand up for righteousness [Timer
01:41:47 sounds] We are wrong.
01:41:48 >> Misty hook >> [Applause] Followed
01:41:50 by Elizabeth Martin. When you come up
01:41:52 please state your name and address and
01:41:57 if I get asked people do not applaud.
01:41:58 It will give people more time to speak.
01:42:03 Michael will be next.
01:42:04 >> It's Michelle.
01:42:05 >> Michelle so sorry.
01:42:08 >> I Misty hook I live in McKinney.
01:42:09 I'm actually here to speak for my sister
01:42:12 Julie Lewton who wishes she could be
01:42:13 our butts and with her daughter and in
01:42:15 my drug surgical percent [inaudible]
01:42:20 president of McKinney Democrat once you
01:42:21 know the bull word fully support your
01:42:23 comments today. James Throckmorton was
01:42:24 a doctor governor and soldier. These
01:42:29 things are not intimate. He was also a
01:42:30 Brig. Gen. for the Confederacy and
01:42:31 refused while governor to support the
01:42:38 14th amendment. Then was removed from
01:42:39 office of these things are also not
01:42:40 intimate. The statue is not erected
01:42:41 during his tenure as governor he was
01:42:44 erected decades later attempt to
01:42:45 whitewash and yes, I use that term
01:42:46 intentionally, the harm suffered by
01:42:49 black Americans during slavery. It was
01:42:50 also erected as a warning black
01:42:52 citizens basically saying we still
01:42:53 don't believe you are our equals and
01:43:00 demonstrate that we will erect statues
01:43:02 to people but to keep you enslaved.
01:43:03 Just a sick, US Sen. Tom Cotten said in
01:43:04 an interview slavery was a,, quote
01:43:07 unquote, necessary evil subs we've not
01:43:08 yet overcome generations of racism.
01:43:09 After weeks of debate including the
01:43:13 abrupt adjournment of the city Council
01:43:14 meeting last week, the statue continues
01:43:20 to so unrest division and anger. I
01:43:21 asked that be removed immediately.
01:43:22 Moved to Collin County history Museum
01:43:25 or some similar location work restored
01:43:26 until other arrangements are made into
01:43:30 appropriate plaques can give Todd
01:43:31 context of the statue which, bottom
01:43:35 line is recognition for a man who
01:43:36 fought on the side of armies that
01:43:37 seceded from our country the United
01:43:44 States of America, rather than allow
01:43:45 fellow human means to free free. Just
01:43:46 days ago the city Council of
01:43:47 Gainesville Texas where father lives,
01:43:50 voted to remove a Confederate statue
01:43:51 from the public park. McKinney should
01:43:52 do no less. Moving the statute
01:43:53 immediately is the least we can do.
01:43:54 Jumpy up for discussion. What should be
01:43:55 up for discussion is how we can
01:43:59 address the systemic racism that still
01:44:00 exists McKinney today for the bow can
01:44:08 leverage our government for the good of
01:44:09 all residents know we convince a
01:44:10 business resident people considering
01:44:11 moving your that we recognize our past
01:44:12 and betrayed a better future for
01:44:13 McKinney. Thank you.
01:44:15 >> Elizabeth Michelle and then
01:44:16 followed be Tammy Morton.
01:44:22 >> Good afternoon councilmembers. I
01:44:23 want to address the last city Council
01:44:24 meeting for the abrupt ending was very
01:44:25 confusing. Especially given that this
01:44:29 time it's a white guy that's been
01:44:30 intimidating and yet we have not
01:44:35 adjourned. Mayor Fullers video
01:44:36 entitled, what really happened and his
01:44:40 comments and responses were discussing
01:44:41 an embarrassing and infuriating to me.
01:44:44 So let's get to some of the lies. Lie
01:44:45 number one, as councilmember Shemwell
01:44:51 quoted, told people to be there ready to
01:44:53 meet violence with violence. The truth
01:44:54 is, McKinney resident with a large
01:44:55 white supremacist following made a
01:44:57 video asking his people to come to the
01:44:59 city Council meeting that night and
01:45:04 speak in defense of the statue and
01:45:05 remove Shemwell. This led to violent
01:45:07 threats towards councilmembers and
01:45:08 councilmember's response and I quote,
01:45:12 come out. Come holler at me. You keep
01:45:13 bringing heat from McKinney for that we
01:45:14 can be force with force,, or, and you
01:45:18 see this is the part you left out, you
01:45:23 can start listening to our concerns
01:45:24 about justice and harmony and we can
01:45:27 work together. My number two, Fuller
01:45:32 said and I quote, we have people with
01:45:33 guns and other weapons blocking the
01:45:37 entrance stop blocking the entrance to
01:45:43 City Hall in the front of the truth is
01:45:44 no one was blocking engines with guns.
01:45:45 If anyone was they were many many
01:45:46 police nearby that could've assisted
01:45:47 and they were not . This does the
01:45:49 second to amendment only applied to
01:45:51 white people? Lie number four and I'll
01:45:58 say I personally think this one is the
01:45:59 most egregious. In your video said it
01:46:00 and I quote, we are going to conduct
01:46:01 business based on intimidation and
01:46:02 threats. Not in McKinney. The truth is
01:46:03 that is precisely why the statue was
01:46:04 erected in the first place. In 1911.
01:46:05 During the height of KKK terrorism. To
01:46:06 intimidate and to threaten. Should
01:46:09 McKinney continue to operate in the
01:46:12 same way? But this relic of the past
01:46:13 and storage immediately while the
01:46:14 committee does its work. Cover it up.
01:46:20 Like they did in Nashua North Carolina.
01:46:21 Don't delay just another five months
01:46:24 for [inaudible] I stand with
01:46:25 councilmember Shemwell. >> [Applause]
01:46:29 >> [inaudible]
01:46:35 >> I will not get clapping but I think
01:46:36 you guys need to be aware of how much
01:46:37 it cost to move the statue and I'll
01:46:38 just leave it at that. On the low and
01:46:39 it's $100,000 for the fencing work is
01:46:41 20,000, train rigging transport 26,000,
01:46:57 stone assembly disassembly worked
01:46:58 20,000 validation were 20,003 were
01:46:59 10,000. Excavation foundation work
01:47:00 6000. Total cost, 90,003 8410. I've got
01:47:01 the numbers if you want them. That's on
01:47:02 the low end. I will let you know the
01:47:13 [inaudible] they spent 100,000 for that
01:47:14 one for the Kentucky moving the
01:47:15 Jefferson Davis that you cost $225,000
01:47:16 for the two statues in Charlottesville
01:47:17 Virginia cost 700,000. The Robert E Lee
01:47:18 statue in Dallas cost 450,000 now,
01:47:19 that being said I'm very sympathetic to
01:47:28 members of our blackberry and request
01:47:29 to remove symbols of racism. I don't
01:47:30 want to be part of any community that
01:47:31 embraces racism. My concern is the cost
01:47:32 in a covered year. We business
01:47:33 shuttering included black on business.
01:47:34 My concern is there's many people not
01:47:35 here in McKinney that may have your head
01:47:39 if you spend 500,000 200,000 above the
01:47:40 statue at this time this year. That is
01:47:41 my concern with the time I have left,.
01:47:47 I would also say I was very
01:47:48 disappointed in your video. Either is
01:47:49 extremely racist. I think we have - -
01:47:51 we have something we need to decide as
01:47:54 a communityfrom now until November
01:47:59 until we what we do. I think we have
01:48:00 more than one problem up there. >>
01:48:01 [Applause]
01:48:02 >> Ron [inaudible] followed by Julie
01:48:06 needs.
01:48:25 >> [inaudible] how about me? If I can
01:48:29 have that, why can I have this? If I
01:48:34 can do that, why can you have your
01:48:35 flags you are talking about? Or, that
01:48:39 statue? Or, the statue of Mary with a
01:48:40 head on it? Or the churches, with
01:48:45 stained-glass? It's not that you hate
01:48:47 this flag. Is that you hate America.
01:48:51 That is exactly what you're trying
01:48:54 tear down is America. You know what,
01:48:58 first they came to the flag than the
01:48:59 statues but after that they came for
01:49:03 us. You are talking about socialism.
01:49:08 [Background noise] Why do you need an
01:49:09 airport? You're going to see what
01:49:14 socialism is like big that is where you
01:49:17 are going. I've got plenty of time
01:49:20 left. You know what, this is all
01:49:22 impromptu. I do not know. Last night I
01:49:25 was out on my corner appear in Plano
01:49:30 and there was a car pulled up. Two
01:49:31 people came out and looked at the car
01:49:32 and I said, that guy crashed or
01:49:34 something. So I thought, finally, I'm
01:49:36 going to walk out on that street at
01:49:38 nighttime with this and go see what's
01:49:40 going on with that guy. He was
01:49:46 overdosing. The policeman came over and
01:49:47 told me. We gave him night just,
01:49:48 something or other. We just saved his
01:49:52 life. Good Samaritan. You know what, it
01:49:55 was in my calendar this came up. I
01:50:03 thought the meeting was at 8 PM. I just
01:50:05 came down. I do not know if they were
01:50:06 asking us about the statue. God sent me
01:50:11 down here. God sent me last night over
01:50:12 there to say that boys life. God
01:50:14 semi-down here today hopefully to save
01:50:19 the whole country. Because that is what
01:50:24 we have to do. None of you have got
01:50:25 enough to say, no to the devil. I
01:50:33 rebuke youin the name of Jesus. That's
01:50:34 what I say. I rebuke you by the blood.
01:50:37 [Timer sounds]
01:50:38 >> Your time is up. Gerald Williams
01:50:40 followed by [inaudible].
01:50:42 >> Goodbye.
01:50:44 >> Jolie Williams, McKinney resident.
01:50:49 I just want to say, this is absolutely
01:50:53 absurd and discussing what I'm saying
01:50:58 here. No matter which side you are on,
01:50:59 I've seen ugliness and discussing
01:51:01 statements that are absolutely
01:51:03 horrible. I wish that we continue
01:51:10 through and there's nothing you can say
01:51:11 that is going to change what happened.
01:51:12 That we can stick to the subject of our
01:51:13 point is there a diversity counsel big
01:51:16 diversity counsel where people can
01:51:17 civilly have a conversation about what
01:51:19 is going on. The - - why is
01:51:27 Throckmorton here what is the
01:51:28 significance our community? Why is it
01:51:29 offensive to some? People need to
01:51:32 understand that with people screaming
01:51:33 back and forth at each other, we are
01:51:34 not hearing any of that. We need civil
01:51:39 conversations but this is a mess and
01:51:40 discussing and I wish you could move
01:51:42 forward and if there's nothing you can
01:51:49 say [inaudible] anybody else's mine in
01:51:50 the room so please, be civil and move
01:51:51 forward and get this done. Thank you.
01:51:52 >> Thank you. Ken Holloway followed by
01:51:56 Jennifer [inaudible].
01:51:57 >> Thanks, Mayor. Councilmembers, my
01:52:05 name is Kenneth Holloway a resident and
01:52:06 10 708 Patton Dr. here in McKinney
01:52:10 Texas. Mr. Shemwell I want to say,
01:52:12 first, it appreciate your
01:52:16 acknowledgment of the flag and that's
01:52:17 how offensive to many in the room. Your
01:52:18 comments were definitely noble and
01:52:19 notable for that but unfortunately they
01:52:24 really did - - you failed to execute
01:52:25 upon your absolute power as you
01:52:26 proclaim to have it removed and that in
01:52:34 itself is equally hurtful. If you're
01:52:35 tell me you have the ability and the
01:52:36 power to remove something because you
01:52:37 recognize that it is hurtful to many
01:52:39 and you failed to exercise that right
01:52:40 to do so, you are no better off. That's
01:52:46 implicit in itself. So I want to say
01:52:47 you are the executive of the city. With
01:52:51 that comes great responsibility and
01:52:52 tremendous leadership Mr. Mayor. This
01:52:59 city, as well as the rest of this
01:53:05 country is a tinderbox right now. I
01:53:06 think we can all reckon is that. Your
01:53:07 words matter. The words do matter for
01:53:08 the you carry a lot of influence as
01:53:09 mayor of McKinney and as a new resident
01:53:10 McKinney about a year, 14 months here,
01:53:13 I have to let you know disappointed in
01:53:14 your leadership from what I've
01:53:15 witnessed over the past 14 months. I
01:53:16 watched your videothat you put out in
01:53:18 response to the last Tuesday's meetings
01:53:20 and I'm convinced that either your are
01:53:31 a boldfaced liar or we don't breathe
01:53:32 the same air because I was here. I
01:53:33 walked in, nobody was blocking the
01:53:34 doors with AR 15's. They were way off
01:53:35 the street. In fact, almost at the
01:53:36 corner. I walked in nice and easy
01:53:37 nobody stop me. Not at one moment did I
01:53:42 ever feel intimidated. So when I heard
01:53:43 you say that, Mr. Mayor, it really
01:53:44 made me feel like either you are
01:53:51 disillusioned or you are intentionally
01:53:52 spewing lies. That's what leads me back
01:53:53 to the point earlier, our words
01:53:54 matter. Your words matter even more
01:53:55 because you are voted the leader of the
01:53:57 city and the city is in turmoil and we
01:53:58 need you to lead right now. And your
01:54:01 words and things that you do [Timer
01:54:04 sounds] By misrepresenting do not
01:54:05 exercise that.
01:54:06 >> Thank you. >> [Applause]
01:54:09 >> [Speaker off microphone]
01:54:15 >> Hello. I live in Blue Ridge but of
01:54:22 course McKinney is our favorite local
01:54:26 neighborhood. It is such a gem. Our
01:54:29 family go shopping in downtown quite a
01:54:30 bit and my kids were also in the
01:54:32 theater herein McKinney. A little bit
01:54:37 about my background. I am a
01:54:38 schoolteacher and move from California
01:54:40 to Memphis Tennessee where I taught in
01:54:41 and inner-city school where there was
01:54:46 only one white students and mostly
01:54:47 African-American children and a few
01:54:49 Hispanics. I was heartbroken there
01:54:50 about the disparity between the school
01:54:52 I taught at in some of the other
01:54:54 schools, the way they did it they
01:55:01 divided into two districts in one
01:55:05 district was the rich district and one
01:55:06 was the poor district I'm so grateful
01:55:07 they change that since then. But, I am
01:55:08 concerned that the cost of the statue
01:55:09 removal will affect other opportunities
01:55:10 here in McKinney. There are some
01:55:13 families that have real needs
01:55:14 especially in this time and we need to
01:55:16 help them succeed. As city Council
01:55:27 usually focus their time on helping the
01:55:28 city with economic development. When
01:55:29 the economy improves that helps
01:55:30 everyone. Another thing the city
01:55:31 Council does is plan activities to
01:55:32 build a sense of community.. How better
01:55:33 to build a feeling of love and respect
01:55:35 for all walks of life in these
01:55:37 community events. When we spend time
01:55:40 talking with a statue it will take time
01:55:44 away from building that McKinney into a
01:55:45 great place for people to live work and
01:55:46 visit and obviously, it was of an
01:55:49 economic impact on costing money to
01:55:52 remove the statue and potentially
01:55:53 storing costs. I appreciate the time
01:56:02 you are spent on our behalf and I ask
01:56:03 you to please, return your focus to the
01:56:04 things that will benefit the community
01:56:05 including all races improving the
01:56:06 development of downtown has been
01:56:12 wonderful and I can't wait to come back
01:56:13 here when the projects are completed on
01:56:14 the road construction.. Thank you so
01:56:15 much for your time.
01:56:16 >> Thank you. Bob - - followed by
01:56:20 Kathy Tamir.
01:56:24 >> Mr. Mayor, members of the council,
01:56:32 and you for let me come up here. First
01:56:34 off, I love the city. I been here for
01:56:41 30 years. I will be here for another 30
01:56:44 years if I'm lucky. One thing for sure
01:56:45 I want to stay as much as we can, as we
01:56:56 build this history of God. We want to
01:56:57 keep that history. Our graduate need to
01:56:58 know it, good or bad. If it's bad you
01:56:59 need to know about it, if it's good
01:57:00 let's go forward. Do what we can to
01:57:01 build on this city and not tear it
01:57:02 down. I am here for you in any way I
01:57:06 can help you. You are probably on that
01:57:08 committee, fine whatever you want me to
01:57:09 do, here for you a member of this city
01:57:12 and am proud to be here. I know many
01:57:15 of these people here are proud to be
01:57:16 here as well. Thanks for your time. I
01:57:20 appreciate you.
01:57:21 >> Thank you, sir. Kathy Tamir
01:57:25 followed by Tamara Johnson.
01:57:26 >> Hello city councilmembers. So,
01:57:35 sitting there, watching all of the
01:57:38 events of last Tuesdayhighly
01:57:41 disappointed in behaviors of some. But,
01:57:47 when what was so awesome about last
01:57:49 week's meeting was when there was a
01:57:51 really good presentation, discussion,
01:57:57 comments, about the duplex apartments.
01:58:00 So there was research there was an
01:58:04 assessment for the that counsel had
01:58:05 time to ask questions. Citizens had
01:58:08 time to come make their comments and a
01:58:10 unanimous decision was made not to
01:58:16 honor the request for those duplexes.
01:58:17 That is the process. So at the end of
01:58:20 the day, we need to go through the same
01:58:21 process about the statue and let the
01:58:26 city of McKinney citizens who actually
01:58:28 live here be educated on the truth
01:58:31 about the statue. Good or bad, we hear
01:58:35 all these different pieces of
01:58:41 information. What is true, what's not
01:58:42 you. People have opinions. It doesn't
01:58:43 matter. We need to fax and an unbiased
01:58:45 committee to bring this information to
01:58:47 the citizens so that all of the
01:58:49 councilmembers can communicate to their
01:58:51 constituents and so on. Then a decision
01:58:55 is made. If it comes down it comes down
01:59:01 for the great for the everybody's on
01:59:02 the same page. That's what I want to
01:59:03 see happen because that's how it should
01:59:05 happen. So in the last few seconds, I
01:59:06 want to say there's a lot but Shemwell
01:59:18 singled you all out telling you you
01:59:19 were singling him out. Not letting them
01:59:20 speak and not having whatever. In
01:59:21 essence, you were singling them out not
01:59:22 letting them represent their
01:59:25 constituents. That is exactly what
01:59:26 happened that whole fiasco that you
01:59:29 treat everyone the same, no you were
01:59:30 yelling in my face. Everybody 2000
01:59:34 people side got it on video, honey
01:59:38 [Timer sounds].
01:59:39 >> >> [Applause]
01:59:40 >> Tamara Johnsonfollowed by
01:59:48 [inaudible].
01:59:55 >> Hello council. Hello councilmember
02:00:03 Shemwell. First of all, I would really
02:00:04 like to think councilmember Shemwell
02:00:07 and Mayor Fuller for the proclamation.
02:00:09 Thank you so much councilmember
02:00:12 Shemwell for coming to celebrate with
02:00:16 us. It was amazing. The mounted police
02:00:22 were there. They lead the parade and
02:00:23 the cars went by and she had a
02:00:27 beautiful 90th birthday. So I just
02:00:30 wanted to offer that to you guys. And I
02:00:32 was going to speak about the statue. I
02:00:38 have some historical information to
02:00:42 share, but I think we already know
02:00:45 about the significance,the historical
02:00:48 significance, of the statue. What I'd
02:00:51 really like to read right now, because
02:00:58 we are not ignorant of the devils
02:01:01 devices. And because I heard someone
02:01:05 say that my black lives matter T-shirt
02:01:08 was offensive to them, and my mother
02:01:12 taught me not to be offensive to people
02:01:17 if I can help it. So, I would just like
02:01:21 to read something to you guys. And mama
02:01:24 I would really hope that everyone
02:01:28 would base everything that they do on
02:01:32 this: though I speak with tongues of men
02:01:34 and of angels, but have not love I
02:01:38 have become a sounding brass or a
02:01:40 clanging symbol. And though I have the
02:01:41 gift of prophecy and understand all
02:01:44 mysteries and all knowledge and though
02:01:45 I have all faith so that I can remove
02:01:49 mountains but have not loved, I am
02:01:52 nothing. And though I bestow all my
02:01:56 abilities to feed the poor and though I
02:01:57 give my body to be burned but have not
02:02:01 love,it profits me nothing. [Timer
02:02:02 sounds]
02:02:03 >> Thank you.
02:02:05 >> Thank you.
02:02:07 >> [inaudible] followed by Eric
02:02:11 Schultz.
02:02:12 >> Well at first I came here upset
02:02:27 that you channel my ancestors to come
02:02:28 appear and speak. What Mayor Fuller did
02:02:34 about the man with a flag, that was
02:02:39 very touching but he still did not do
02:02:40 what he was supposed to do. He
02:02:42 should've used his executive powers to
02:02:43 remove the man but that's [inaudible].
02:02:46 I would also like to say that Sir, you
02:02:50 are a liar. And everybody in this room
02:02:54 knows that you have lied because we've
02:02:55 had several videos about life. I'm one
02:02:59 of the organizers of the protest last
02:03:02 week and those when never step foot
02:03:04 near any door. They never harmed
02:03:06 anybody. The number approached any
02:03:11 individual, period but you lied and
02:03:12 said they did. You said they stopped
02:03:14 and locked people in the door. That was
02:03:16 a lie, sir. I will also read to you
02:03:20 another thing you said. I was truly
02:03:37 what you meant [inaudible] on Daedalus
02:03:38 potential I understand the arm people
02:03:39 on both sides of the issue around the
02:03:42 statute last night as well. Although I
02:03:43 innocent people of constitutional right
02:03:44 to bear arms, coming to city all
02:03:47 dressed in black with a AR 15's stopped
02:03:48 over your shoulder is going to make a
02:03:51 statement to intimidate. I do not
02:03:52 believe it was donewith sincere fear
02:03:55 and it might be necessary to protect
02:03:59 oneself. That was something that you
02:04:00 said, Mayor Fuller two individuals I
02:04:04 know. Also on a side note, this is
02:04:05 another thing you said that I took out
02:04:07 for the has anyone go back and listen
02:04:12 my comment about the statue. It was at
02:04:13 fault statement can be made people can
02:04:14 yell for both Warren's lies, that would
02:04:20 be me - - about what's important to
02:04:21 me and what is not. But I care about
02:04:22 and what I don't. When the video
02:04:23 evidence is right in front of them
02:04:31 which the video evidence is in front of
02:04:32 you and you, sir are a liar. [Timer
02:04:33 sounds] You sir, are a liar and you
02:04:34 should be ashamed of yourself of what
02:04:36 you have done. So I guess at one people
02:04:37 in McKinney to raise your hand if
02:04:38 you're from McKinney. In the back,
02:04:39 raise your hand if you're from McKinney.
02:04:42 Major and if you're born and raised in
02:04:44 McKinney? Raise your family if your
02:04:45 family has been here for over 50
02:04:46 years.Raise your hand
02:04:48 >>
02:04:49 >> [Multiple speakers]
02:04:52 >> Raise your hand if your time family
02:04:54 on both sides is from McKinney Texas..
02:04:58 So how dare you tell me that I'm not
02:04:59 from McKinney Texas. We are citizens
02:05:04 here in McKinney Texas and you refuse
02:05:05 to hear what we have to say.
02:05:06 >> Warren, thank you. He was we are
02:05:11 McKinney, the east side of Kinney for
02:05:18 the you are not Mayor of the West you
02:05:19 are mayor of both sides of the town and
02:05:20 you and I silence may because I am
02:05:21 [inaudible] you are a liar and deceiver.
02:05:22 >> You are cutting into everybody's
02:05:24 time
02:05:25 >> I don't care
02:05:27 >> [Background noise]
02:05:30 >> Eric Schultz followed by Tina
02:05:31 McBride.
02:05:32 >> Good afternoon councilmembers Eric
02:05:34 sheltie 1505 timberline. Two minutes
02:05:37 not a lot of time. I passed out when I
02:05:40 was going to present as a slide deck,
02:05:45 as an Army civil affairs officer went
02:05:47 to my main jobs is to understand the
02:05:49 threat and risk that is to the local
02:05:55 population or wherever we operate. So
02:05:56 I'll read this to you as if I was
02:05:58 brief in commanders the area of
02:06:02 operation area of responsibility
02:06:03 because this is your responsibility.
02:06:06 The black community in McKinney, they
02:06:09 are under violence,, life threats,
02:06:16 racist threats by white conservative
02:06:21 Republican leaders in McKinney. And I
02:06:26 have evidence on those handouts. By the
02:06:29 evidence at home a lot more evidence
02:06:30 where that comes from. The national
02:06:35 threat is real. The Texas and local
02:06:39 threat is real. It's on the news every
02:06:41 single day. With people dyingat
02:06:44 protests and at statues. On July 7, we
02:06:49 had leaders of the protest armed,
02:06:55 present,. They made violent racist
02:06:56 threats such as all live splatter among
02:07:03 other things. On the 21st, there is a
02:07:04 picture taken and posted online about
02:07:05 five steps behind me,, posted reply
02:07:08 said shoot them while they are in the
02:07:12 open, and the person posting the
02:07:13 picture said they were armed and they
02:07:18 had the thumbs-up that they liked it.
02:07:19 When confronted, the person who posted
02:07:23 that said, I can't say it the whole
02:07:24 thing, but they wished all the F-will
02:07:27 be killed in McKinney. That's why the
02:07:32 statute must come down now before
02:07:33 somebody gets hurt and is on everyone
02:07:36 here that did not take it down.. Then
02:07:39 decide where it ends up ultimately.
02:07:41 [Timer sounds]
02:07:42 >> Thank you. >> [Applause]
02:07:45 >> [inaudible] Tamika Bryant followed
02:07:46 by Kimberly Williams.
02:07:59 >> Hello. Good afternoon to all the
02:08:00 members on the board. I come because I
02:08:01 feel him in compelled and forced to be
02:08:06 here. I've come before only with maybe
02:08:09 another time. I appreciate
02:08:11 everythingeveryone up there is trying
02:08:12 to do for the city of McKinney, but my
02:08:16 concern is not having to explain to my
02:08:17 seven-year-old who loves living here in
02:08:27 the United States of America. He loves
02:08:28 every about this country one day I'm
02:08:29 going to have to explain to them that
02:08:30 this country may not love him as much
02:08:31 as he thinks it does and the issue is,
02:08:32 that the one person on this board as I
02:08:33 mentioned before that is my color that
02:08:35 is supposed to be a representative for
02:08:37 myself and the rest of us who were born
02:08:38 and bred here, you are trying to get
02:08:40 rid of him. That is the issue. I care
02:08:43 about the statue, I do understand the
02:08:45 point of getting it down. However, what
02:08:49 is more important is that you allow
02:08:50 someone who's representing the black
02:08:52 residents of the city to continue to be
02:08:58 on this board to speak for us because
02:08:59 he was placed in a position to do so.
02:09:02 And also I want you guys to get
02:09:03 together. It's one thing to say and
02:09:06 use those words but to actually get
02:09:08 together come together and try to make
02:09:09 the city which is a great city to be
02:09:10 what we can be. It takes every single
02:09:12 one of you, including Mr. - - Shum
02:09:20 oh and I want to implore each and
02:09:21 everyone he to be mindful of that.
02:09:23 Because I take it personally the person
02:09:24 that looks like me on this board is
02:09:26 trying to remove him. That tells me you
02:09:27 don't care, that makes it seem as if
02:09:33 you just let me psychological terms -
02:09:34 - makes it seem as if you don't care
02:09:35 about what I say, my children and of
02:09:40 course, yes I'm going to take that
02:09:41 personally. Because it's my job to
02:09:42 protect them with you do it or not. We
02:09:43 placed in a position to help us to
02:09:45 structure this town the weight should
02:09:46 be and if you can't or if you want then
02:09:50 there's other measures that have to be
02:09:51 taken. I don't know what you guys, if
02:09:53 someone from your child told you your
02:09:55 child can't go out and can be safe and
02:10:01 can be protected, you are going to take
02:10:02 steps to protect them, yes? That's
02:10:03 what we are doing. Okay? >> [Applause]
02:10:07 >> Kimberly - - followed by Shawn
02:10:08 [inaudible].
02:10:10 >> I wrote it down [inaudible]. Thank
02:10:16 you, Mayor and councilmembers for I
02:10:17 briefly would like to address COVID
02:10:20 19. Hydroxychloroquine has
02:10:22 unequivocally has been proven to
02:10:23 prevent COVID 19 and help the once
02:10:26 infected. I would encourage you to
02:10:27 check out Dr. [inaudible] of Houston
02:10:31 Texas. Check her out. With regards to
02:10:35 the statue of Mr. Throckmorton, I am
02:10:39 offended someone from Florida started a
02:10:42 petition to remove the statue. I am
02:10:45 offended we have outsiders trying to
02:10:47 destroy McKinney with hate. Before I go
02:10:51 further, my black - - just as black
02:10:57 as everyone sitting out here - -
02:10:58 brother in law, nephew, nieces,
02:11:00 cousins, my family is extremely biracial
02:11:07 . Extremely. I would love to know how
02:11:12 many actually care about unity, unity.
02:11:18 But most of all, I'm very offended at
02:11:23 the very one at the crux of the spread
02:11:24 of hate is a sitting remember who has
02:11:27 been charged with the rape, beating
02:11:31 women, ties with the Black Panthers, -
02:11:33 - that is not unity. Ties, falsely
02:11:38 accusing one of our esteemed police
02:11:41 officers of police brutality and much
02:11:44 more yet here he is. We know the
02:11:47 statue will be removed. I'm okay with
02:11:51 that. My question is, when will he be
02:11:55 removed? I am speaking on women who
02:11:59 have been abused and I don't care what
02:12:00 color you are. A man put your hands on
02:12:04 you you need to knock the hell out of
02:12:06 him.My question is, it's going to take
02:12:09 a mob to remove him because right now,
02:12:15 in America that is what it takes, a
02:12:16 mob. Thank you. [Timer sounds]
02:12:19 >> Sean - - followed by Joshua
02:12:22 Murray.
02:12:27 >> [Background noise]
02:12:29 >> Hello all. The name Sean Howell.
02:12:35 I'm a resident of McKinney for them to
02:12:40 all elected officials, and public
02:12:41 officials who signed up to serve the
02:12:43 common good of our community, thank you
02:12:45 for remembering to hear the voices of
02:12:46 those whom you serve in making sure
02:12:51 that government is for the people, by
02:12:52 the people. While diversity and
02:12:58 cultural passwords has been introduced
02:12:59 by the city Council as an ad hoc
02:13:02 committee to deal with the statue,
02:13:05 which we applaud as a first step in
02:13:06 bringinga diverse group of people
02:13:08 together to resolve that issue, we must
02:13:10 not think that an ad hoc committee
02:13:13 working on the statue issue alone will
02:13:17 address the many perceived issues of
02:13:20 structural and systemic racial
02:13:21 marginalization in McKinney. I think
02:13:24 most would agree that we can no longer
02:13:26 kick this can of racial division and in
02:13:29 equity down the road and think we are
02:13:31 first class city. Back in January, a
02:13:38 race and culture task force and
02:13:39 cultural awareness training was
02:13:42 proposed by first to the mayor to begin
02:13:45 working on developing these initiatives
02:13:47 further. Since then race and culture
02:13:51 toolkit was presented to the mayor on
02:13:53 June 13. While we are waiting his input
02:13:59 we would like to recommend that the
02:14:00 toolkit be reviewed as a template for
02:14:01 the basis of an ongoing race and
02:14:02 culture task force. That would be a
02:14:05 data-driven boards and commissions
02:14:08 committee whose mission is to create a
02:14:11 city where diversity inclusion is
02:14:13 embraced, racial and economic
02:14:15 disparities are eliminatedand racial
02:14:18 equity achieve. The task force seeks to
02:14:22 permanently eliminate racial inequity
02:14:23 in the city. To do this requires a
02:14:26 commitment to understanding and ending
02:14:31 individual racism institutional
02:14:32 racism, and structural racism. The task
02:14:38 force will provide McKinney leaders
02:14:39 with institutional best practices and
02:14:40 operational strategies [Timer sounds]
02:14:41 The foster equality and equity. Thank
02:14:42 you for your time.
02:14:45 >>
02:14:54 >> Good evening. My name is Stephen I
02:14:58 like to address Karen I just spoke that
02:15:01 said my P and it doesn't matter. Ma'am,
02:15:02 I like to point out that what I did is
02:15:08 I took an obligation to the
02:15:09 Constitution that is the reason I'm in
02:15:10 front of each one of you and that is
02:15:11 the reason that I'm involved in each
02:15:19 and while your politics. You understand
02:15:20 the right now, here for a reason. I'm
02:15:21 here to speak on the statue. First come
02:15:22 I like to say that on the record this
02:15:23 issue is divisive it difficult it's one
02:15:24 most people do not understand
02:15:28 especially currently politician that do
02:15:29 not address it so I thank you all for
02:15:30 putting it on the agenda addressing it
02:15:31 today. I do not discuss history nor do
02:15:36 I have a desire to rewrite it I will
02:15:37 say in current times questions the
02:15:38 motives of individuals writing things
02:15:40 so that I do question at times of the
02:15:42 way in which they write the history
02:15:48 that they speak of. Especially, from
02:15:49 this long ago.To make things easier I
02:15:54 assume in this current moment that
02:15:55 everything being said about Doc frog
02:16:03 corn is true for the last use
02:16:04 abolitionist people spoke in support of
02:16:05 the statue with a tendency to reference
02:16:06 brief moments in our titles on a man's
02:16:07 life and attempt to scale and away his
02:16:09 indiscretions. To each his own the
02:16:10 weight of these moments indiscretions
02:16:11 of this man's life have different
02:16:13 values to each of us. I can only speak
02:16:17 for myself and for my family. For me,
02:16:22 for my family, we only need to know the
02:16:23 weight of one indiscretion to know the
02:16:27 way in which are scale tips. The fact
02:16:28 this man was a general in the
02:16:31 Confederate Army, the fact that he had
02:16:33 the opportunity to not - - he did not
02:16:38 fight. He strategically coordinated an
02:16:39 effort to make Americans people that
02:16:42 are property. He strategically
02:16:43 coordinated this effort and to idolize
02:16:49 them, have a statue of him anywhere in
02:16:50 this country is wrong. To support it
02:16:56 what needs to happen is immediately you
02:16:57 need to move as quickly as you can
02:16:58 within this constraints of the law to
02:16:59 have it removed with a task force,
02:17:00 please. Please. [Timer sounds] >>
02:17:01 [Applause]
02:17:03 >> [inaudible] followed by Sheila
02:17:04 Simmons.
02:17:15 >> My name is Deborah Mendoza. I am a
02:17:16 leader of thebrowned - - and I live
02:17:21 in McKinney. I'm a resident of McKinney
02:17:22 and I was here last week and Mayor, you
02:17:28 lied. You lied. I was outside standing
02:17:33 with the people that you said were
02:17:37 threatening people and not letting them
02:17:38 come in. That was a boldfaced lie. I
02:17:43 don't want you representing me here in
02:17:47 McKinney. At all. So I'm going to make
02:17:48 it my mission. You have not seen my
02:17:53 Apache site or my Mexican side. Okay?
02:17:57 You have not seen the brown people
02:18:00 coming here for the way to my people
02:18:01 come up in here. You are going to see
02:18:03 my people okay? And I'm going to make
02:18:07 it my mission that you do not get
02:18:10 reelected. And to you, I stand with you
02:18:16 . I know how it is to feelthe way you
02:18:21 are feeling. To have people against you.
02:18:25 I am with you. We are with you.You
02:18:28 have an army behind you. And the real
02:18:34 threat is what I see every day. I work
02:18:40 in healthcare. Do you see the scrubs?
02:18:42 That is the real threat. Not the
02:18:45 hugging of white people outside. That
02:18:47 was not a threat. So, today, I am
02:18:54 asking you, take down the statue, or,
02:19:02 you never know. Somebody may come in
02:19:03 and take it down for you. Thank you.
02:19:07 [Background noise] >> [Applause]
02:19:13 >> Sheila Simmons followed by Carmen
02:19:19 Marshall.
02:19:20 >> Good evening everyone. Due respect
02:19:25 to all the panel for the mayor you and
02:19:26 I have spoken several months ago about
02:19:28 you being a leader and what a leader
02:19:31 should be as far as bringing people
02:19:33 together. But one of the things, a
02:19:35 couple of things I want to addresses -
02:19:40 - my name is Sheila Simmons. I found
02:19:41 it appalling you issued a video in
02:19:42 McKinney regarding the citizens who
02:19:44 gathered at the city Council meeting
02:19:46 last week. You said it was La'Shadian
02:19:51 organized, which he did not because all
02:19:53 the citizens my majority of them still
02:19:54 here, were not protesters. You call
02:20:00 them protesters and you said that we
02:20:03 were violent. You said that we - -
02:20:12 many had weapons. You said they were
02:20:13 intimidating. You said they block the
02:20:14 doors. None of those things occurred.
02:20:15 As a matter fact, you stepped out
02:20:16 those doors and look to those people but
02:20:22 if you got to know the people in the
02:20:23 community will recognize their face.
02:20:24 You don't know any of the people of the
02:20:25 community because you don't try to get
02:20:26 to know the people of the community.
02:20:27 You just appear in your seat and don't
02:20:28 try to know the black side, or the east
02:20:30 side of McKinney. You only came there
02:20:32 to get your vote. That was the last
02:20:35 time we saw you. Just to get you
02:20:37 elected in the office. The other thing
02:20:41 is, you actually - - it's
02:20:50 disheartening. It's disappointing. You
02:20:51 still owe the committee an apology
02:20:52 because the majority of people in the
02:20:53 community were the ones that were out
02:20:54 there. They may have been a handful of
02:20:55 people that were not from McKinney,
02:20:57 but I knew each and every last one of
02:20:58 them. They went to school with me. Some
02:21:08 of them grew up with me. Some of them
02:21:09 went to church with. Some we work with.
02:21:10 So all these people, you are saying
02:21:11 they were not of McKinney and they
02:21:12 were. The vast majority of those people
02:21:13 were from McKinney. And then, like I
02:21:14 said as a leader that message you sent
02:21:18 out to more division. I people I was
02:21:30 friends with in school. Just your
02:21:31 comments alone [Timer sounds] Caused
02:21:32 a division between my friends that I
02:21:33 grew up with.
02:21:34 >> Thank you. Sheila Simmons - -
02:21:35 >> >> [Applause]
02:21:36 >> I'm sorry. Would you put the name
02:21:39 backup? Carmen Marshall followed by
02:21:47 Leroy [inaudible]
02:21:48 >> Hello. My name is Carmen Marshall
02:21:49 citizen of Capri. I brought my home
02:21:51 here in McKinney about 18 years ago
02:21:53 after proudly serving my country as a
02:21:57 military police officer in the United
02:21:58 Army. What I would like to ask the
02:22:00 council is is how many statutes have
02:22:04 you seen a British Revolutionary war
02:22:05 soldiers in America? Pretty much, none
02:22:10 because they are losers. And America we
02:22:12 really don't celebrate losers. They are
02:22:15 in museums across America and that's
02:22:16 where these types of statues belong.I
02:22:20 feel that when we have these
02:22:27 commemorative statues whatever you want
02:22:28 to call them we memorialize a group of
02:22:30 people who fought against everything
02:22:31 that I feel we support here in America.
02:22:36 We fought a war about Civil War and I
02:22:42 don't understand why they still have to
02:22:43 exist. It doesn't take five months for
02:22:44 us to make - - have a board and make
02:22:48 some other decisions as to why it needs
02:22:49 to come down. It basically just need to
02:22:51 come down so if you support America,
02:22:52 and you support soldiers, and you don't
02:22:55 support losers, and the Confederate
02:23:01 flag [Background noise] Then you will
02:23:02 take on the statue. Thank you.
02:23:03 >> Thank you. >> [Applause]
02:23:06 >> Larry strong and followed by
02:23:10 [inaudible]. >> [Applause]
02:23:16 >> >> [Native language] I'm a member
02:23:27 of the Apache tribe just like my
02:23:33 friend Deborah there. Just like she
02:23:34 said, we are coming for that statue.
02:23:37 >> [Applause] McKinney is on Indian
02:23:40 land. You forgot that fact. This
02:23:45 landis the land of my ancestors.. It
02:23:47 does not represent hate. We don't need
02:23:53 participation trophies in front of the
02:23:54 courthouse. It makes no sense. This is
02:23:57 2020, not 1820. [Background noise]
02:23:59 The time to worship these symbols of
02:24:03 hate has passed. Now we are coming into
02:24:07 a new age,/overly McKinney will
02:24:14 follow. But as we see right now it
02:24:15 doesn't look that way. But eventually
02:24:17 that statue will come down along with
02:24:19 the rest of those hate symbols. So,
02:24:23 just remember, and I like to address
02:24:26 [inaudible] over here.. When somebody
02:24:30 tells you to follow the rules
02:24:32 >> [Speaker off microphone]
02:24:37 >> You can understand me.
02:24:38 >> [Speaker off microphone]
02:24:40 >> Please do me a favor don't address
02:24:45 the audience.
02:24:46 >> When I tell you about the rules and
02:24:48 you refuse to follow the rules, you are
02:24:52 not special.
02:24:53 >> It Leroy, Leroy.
02:24:59 >> Okay.
02:25:00 >> Don't give them the opportunity to
02:25:01 disrupt.
02:25:02 >> You are no big shit. Anyway it
02:25:04 started time for McKinney to join the
02:25:06 21st century.It's too much already.
02:25:08 Now, my friend the councilmember there
02:25:12 councilmember Shemwell removing him
02:25:13 only, it only gives proof to the fact
02:25:17 that McKinney is not ready to join the
02:25:25 21st century. If you remove them you
02:25:28 leave the hate here. [Timer sounds]
02:25:31 >> [Applause]
02:25:32 >> Leroy, thank you. Rolando Ashley
02:25:35 followed by Lizzie Johnson.
02:25:37 >> Hello, Mayor and city council. So
02:25:52 first, I want to address what happened
02:25:53 here last week. I understand that you
02:25:57 said some people standing outside may
02:26:01 be intimidating, but you had no
02:26:02 problems with that two weeks prior to
02:26:11 that meeting when people were literally
02:26:12 standing right exactly to the left of
02:26:13 the door. So I don't understand how you
02:26:14 missed that but anyway my mom and my
02:26:15 dad both our veterans. That flag is an
02:26:18 insult. That statue is an insult.
02:26:21 Secondly, I was asked, how can taking
02:26:30 down the statue of people with hate in
02:26:31 their hearts? By taking it down it
02:26:33 shows solidarity in McKinney citizens.
02:26:38 It shows to those about with hate in
02:26:39 their heart it shows we don't tolerate
02:26:40 hate here. It shows McKinney recognizes
02:26:41 it had a racist past, who didn't if the
02:26:49 United States is the South to be exact.
02:26:50 We know that. Moving is that you will
02:26:51 not erase history and is quite a German
02:26:54 exchange student for the does no
02:26:55 statues of Hitler so why can't - -
02:26:58 why does it have to be statues of
02:27:00 racist people, people who would not
02:27:02 support the freedom of my people? If
02:27:06 it were up to general Throckmorton out
02:27:09 there - - are similar not be on the
02:27:13 city Council, period. Period. Like I
02:27:15 don't understand how you can - - are
02:27:18 supposed to be elected to represent
02:27:20 McKinney as a whole, but you claim
02:27:29 people were not hear from McKinney when
02:27:30 they were literally with you weeks ago,
02:27:31 not even a week ago cleanup the
02:27:33 cemetery. That is how you and everyone
02:27:36 needs to get to learn their citizens.
02:27:40 The whole entire citizens. Because if
02:27:44 you did you would never have to say,
02:27:45 well who was out there with the guns?
02:27:47 You will recognize them. But you only
02:27:48 stepped outside the door for the you
02:27:50 and I think was Rainey Rogers for two
02:27:56 seconds. Thank you. [Timer sounds]
02:27:57 >> >> [Applause]
02:27:58 >> State your name if you would.
02:28:06 >> Lindsay Johnson, 340 Needle Would
02:28:08 Ln. McKinney Texas. I'm not originally
02:28:12 from McKinney or Texas. I'm originally
02:28:13 from Florida and also signed a
02:28:15 petition. I was born and raised in the
02:28:18 Southin a racist state. I went to
02:28:20 college in a racist state, Bible Belt.
02:28:25 I'm familiar with how this works I
02:28:26 think like everyone stated, be on the
02:28:27 right side of history. You all have a
02:28:31 great opportunity to stop this for the
02:28:43 you've heard the threats of saying they
02:28:44 will take it down. It's in your best
02:28:45 interest to go ahead and remove it and
02:28:46 created a council is really just
02:28:47 delaying the process completely. If you
02:28:48 are creating a councilto solve racial
02:28:49 injustice, that is different but
02:28:50 creating a council to remove a statue
02:28:51 is a waste of everyone's time. I
02:28:52 behoove you to take the statue down.
02:28:55 And for the everyone that is here,-- on
02:29:00 October 5 the last day to register next
02:29:01 year on the first, you can get these
02:29:03 people out of office. The mayor can go.
02:29:07 District 1, district is a command large
02:29:08 one, all of the seats are up. Go
02:29:16 register to vote for the they don't
02:29:17 give you what you want, remove them
02:29:18 from completely. But regardless, I
02:29:23 implore you, we have had peaceful
02:29:24 protests in McKinney. There have been
02:29:25 people are doing what you asked,
02:29:26 cleaning up. Give the black community
02:29:27 and opportunity to say we stand behind
02:29:33 you. This is a great opportunity. Just
02:29:34 be on the right side of history. For
02:29:35 everybody else, register to vote. Get
02:29:40 these people out of office. I implore
02:29:41 you. >> [Applause]
02:29:44 >> Daniel - -.
02:29:54 >> Members of city Council, my name is
02:30:01 Daniel - - 50 year resident here
02:30:03 McKinney. I am here to appeal to
02:30:04 everyone's common sense okay? This is
02:30:07 historic McKinney.. That is the sign
02:30:08 that's out there. That's how everybody
02:30:09 knows it will this is historic
02:30:13 McKinney. We need to keep our beauty
02:30:15 keep our history and our statue. So
02:30:17 let's talk about Throckmorton for a
02:30:21 minute. He was a doctor, a lawyer, a
02:30:23 politician, and a governor. Listen, he
02:30:27 gave his all for McKinney. He gave his
02:30:29 all for McKinney. He was one of 10 men
02:30:33 from this area devoted to stay in the
02:30:35 union. So he was not a racist man. He
02:30:37 want to stay in a union. Now listen,
02:30:41 >> Yes. Can I have my time, please?
02:30:44 All right. So we continue to hear about
02:30:48 racism. That word has been cheapened
02:30:50 for that we hear it over and over. That
02:30:56 is a statue. That's not racist. It's a
02:30:57 statue. Let's take a look at Portland,
02:31:00 Seattle, Los Angeles. They are tearing
02:31:07 down statues over there but guess what
02:31:08 that doesn't appease the mob. The mob
02:31:09 is still burning stuff. The statute
02:31:11 does not make a difference. It is the
02:31:12 character that's in their heart. And
02:31:15 McKinney, I've been here for 15 years I
02:31:17 don't see any racism here. At all.
02:31:22 [Background noise] Listen, we are here
02:31:34 >> Please, respect the speaker.
02:31:35 Nobody's interrupting other speakers.
02:31:36 Please, let him finish.
02:31:37 >> Thank you, Mayor. I'm asking you to
02:31:38 bow to keep our history keep our
02:31:39 nature and keep our statute. Let's just
02:31:40 put this up for a vote for the majority
02:31:41 to vote on. I don't think it is fair to
02:31:45 have emotions lead the charge on this.
02:31:46 I think it's important that we all have
02:31:48 a part in the decision. And I think
02:31:51 that McKinney deserves that. Thank you.
02:31:55 >> [Applause] [Background noise]
02:31:56 >> All right. Citizen comments that
02:32:01 were mailed in. I suggest - - this is
02:32:08 from [inaudible]. I'm sorry. It's not.
02:32:15 Please-- I read the wrong line. This is
02:32:25 from Christine. I suggest we address
02:32:27 issues at hand been to behind racial
02:32:31 divide in our city. Is not about a
02:32:32 statue and will not end in a statue if
02:32:34 we bow to these - - I'm sorry you
02:32:37 want to be?
02:32:38 >> [Speaker off microphone]
02:32:39 >> Okay. I had you here.
02:32:43 >> [Speaker off microphone]
02:32:47 >> I'm going to read your comments
02:32:48 since I already stated were only
02:32:51 accepting cards once we had a cut off.
02:32:52 I apologize for the confusion but I'll
02:32:53 need it for you. This is not about a
02:32:56 statue. It will not end in a statute as
02:33:01 BLM commonest threats. Leadership to
02:33:08 accept the actual citizens are American
02:33:09 freedom and history before we end up
02:33:10 like Portland. Shemwell is allying to
02:33:11 a domestic terrorist [inaudible]
02:33:13 against very citizens that to take
02:33:16 peaceful environmental actions that is
02:33:19 never done for the people the
02:33:22 represents. Our citizens to attend
02:33:23 [inaudible] because of his bowling and
02:33:28 Shemwell's people are signing threats
02:33:29 and going to Ohm's Citizen speak freely.
02:33:32 When are the rest of you gonna do
02:33:33 about it? [Background noise]
02:33:37 >> You are a boldfaced not. That's
02:33:38 what you are. A boldfaced liar.
02:33:39 >>
02:33:40 >> [Multiple speakers]
02:33:43 >> Regarding - - sorry. This says
02:33:49 from Brenda regarding these including
02:33:53 at least one member of McKinney's
02:33:57 neighbored Association. From Bridget, I
02:34:03 support the creation of a temporary
02:34:04 committee of citizens to research and
02:34:05 recommend action regarding Throckmorton
02:34:06 statue the only way McKinney can get an
02:34:13 entire committee sentiment would be
02:34:14 citizen participation and deliberation.
02:34:21 The democratic process. It consists of
02:34:22 district 1 and inspected to the statute
02:34:23 to be in the asked the representatives
02:34:24 to work to get it taken down during
02:34:25 this three years in office. He's only
02:34:31 stated started addressing those
02:34:32 concerns now. That is a sign of a poor
02:34:33 leader. His lack of leadership on
02:34:34 councils one of the reasons yup 600
02:34:37 registered voters in his district sign
02:34:38 the petition to have been recalled in
02:34:39 November. Mayor Fuller, what a time to
02:34:49 be mayor. No decision made is a good
02:34:50 one. You can please everyone to make
02:34:51 the decision the time to do what you
02:34:52 think is right. It's a bad decision be
02:34:54 Bett I would if it were to turn out
02:34:56 that mask opinion [inaudible] cause of
02:35:01 loss of 11 which not look at things for
02:35:02 the whole of the community to do what
02:35:04 you thought is right with the
02:35:09 information resource and present
02:35:10 expense I brought you to the decision.
02:35:20 You know I'm referring to James Proctor
02:35:21 lived his life serving. He lived a life
02:35:22 of service and voted in time after time
02:35:23 to rivers and the people he served.
02:35:24 When he represented this area most
02:35:25 agree the position he took for whatever
02:35:26 reasonsthe time came he also stood in
02:35:27 the middle and brought altogether. This
02:35:30 should be enough to keep not remove a
02:35:31 piece of history from our square. The
02:35:32 statue is kosher an old McKinney is.
02:35:38 [inaudible] doesn't have one. We do
02:35:39 it's history something we can never get
02:35:40 back. Please, don't voted away. Let the
02:35:41 people decide what better way to do it.
02:35:43 [inaudible] let's be able let the
02:35:46 people decide him against removing the
02:35:49 history. If you have time [inaudible].
02:35:55 [Background noise] McKinney residents
02:35:57 have an opportunity about whether
02:36:01 statue should be removed or not. Jumpy
02:36:02 up to a specific group that's
02:36:05 protesting for its removal especially
02:36:06 those who do not currently live in
02:36:07 McKinney. Also did together group of
02:36:08 study to a tune of $500,000 is a gross
02:36:14 misuse of tax dollars. That is from
02:36:15 hope. Please do not allow the statute
02:36:26 to be taken down without the taxpayers
02:36:27 have a chance to vote on this. The
02:36:28 majority of downtown committee totally
02:36:30 pose this effort to take away our
02:36:33 history. [inaudible]. I join my voice
02:36:34 to those who demand [inaudible] let us
02:36:36 vote on it. That English [inaudible]. I
02:36:57 don't have any comments here on this one
02:37:05 thank you, Josh. Mayor, if we can give
02:37:09 into the far left demands is no
02:37:11 guarantee will stop. We just cannot say
02:37:14 this will stop there protests for the
02:37:17 much are we giving up? Please, do not
02:37:20 remove the statue. If it's decided
02:37:22 that it should be down to the people of
02:37:23 McKinney to decide not some
02:37:26 councilmember been paid to destroy US
02:37:29 history. [inaudible]. The city Council
02:37:32 McKinney is a member of McKinney
02:37:34 Facebook page, attention there's been a
02:37:37 rush for many citizens over the frock
02:37:39 more statute downtown. It seems to me
02:37:43 the burden of choice to remove the
02:37:44 statue should not fall on the shoulders
02:37:45 of the city Council were a specialty
02:37:48 committee for the public arranges to
02:37:49 high. It's my request this choice be
02:37:52 put in the hands of the people. Call a
02:37:53 vote of the people in this matter and
02:37:58 then - excuse me - November election.
02:37:59 The vote is paramount to really see how
02:38:00 the committee feels about the subject.
02:38:01 Sean Nance [inaudible] already done
02:38:02 this with a Facebook site and
02:38:05 considering the nature of [inaudible]
02:38:07 it seems to be the best way to solve
02:38:11 the issue.Most of all take away all
02:38:12 agitators on both sides were not
02:38:13 citizens of McKinney and let our
02:38:15 community is all to the issue without
02:38:16 being shut down. Please, let the people
02:38:20 speak. Jordan Halsey. In regard to the
02:38:23 frock more statue I believe all
02:38:27 McKinney's resident should have a say
02:38:28 as to be were removed or not I do not
02:38:30 believe a small group of people even
02:38:32 of its city Council number should get
02:38:33 to decide the entire McKinney.
02:38:37 Taxpayers dollars spent to be put on
02:38:38 about November. Colina would. Although
02:38:42 I say the issue of whether not
02:38:48 .Throckmorton statue should be
02:38:49 presented to the citizen McKinney for a
02:38:50 vote I do not think is important
02:38:52 something or someone should be decided
02:38:53 by handful people in the city Council.
02:38:54 She and Benjamin. Removing s statues
02:39:00 in racing history is one of the
02:39:02 [inaudible] and they must be opposed.
02:39:07 Councilmember Shemwell is a communist
02:39:08 who is [inaudible] bad for McKinney and
02:39:11 must be censured a new from office.
02:39:12 Jeff Chandler. [Background noise]
02:39:16 Statue should say. Call divisive yet
02:39:22 they gather on several times for hours.
02:39:23 Said hurt her feelings don't see any
02:39:25 tears. [inaudible] causes distress
02:39:26 explaining our state's history if you
02:39:33 need therapy. If councilmember
02:39:34 Shemwell's yells and screams at
02:39:36 citizens was up they threaten them and
02:39:37 call them white supremacists if they
02:39:38 don't agree. Yet they get in people's
02:39:41 faces [inaudible] the inside balance if
02:39:43 we don't give into the romance.
02:39:49 Terrace. They wanted us to show him I
02:39:50 want to destroy the by people in our
02:39:51 committee. Makes him look unruly full
02:39:52 of rage and races. This file managed
02:40:04 not even for McKinney attachment and he
02:40:05 knows what's best for our community.
02:40:06 To me why we are even considering this
02:40:07 wasteful spending in times like these?
02:40:08 How spending hundreds of thousand
02:40:09 dollars in district 1? It's not the
02:40:10 government sought to protect
02:40:12 [inaudible] but their job to be her
02:40:13 sponsor with the city's funds. This a
02:40:14 hard time to even discuss such
02:40:15 frivolous spending when people are
02:40:16 hungry without jobs and losing
02:40:20 businesses. If it's up to council to
02:40:22 choose common sense over emotion. It's
02:40:33 after this counsel to hold Shemwell
02:40:34 responsible for the terror that
02:40:35 continues to spread in our community.
02:40:36 We the statue and takedown Shemwell.
02:40:37 He's a true racistfull of hate
02:40:38 [Background noise] Not only hates
02:40:39 white people black people, too.
02:40:40 [Background noise]
02:40:45 >> Take it down [Background noise]
02:40:50 >> If everyone if you disrupt the
02:40:51 meeting I will have you removed from
02:40:52 the building. Please, don't. Please
02:40:55 stay and be recycles everyone
02:40:57 respectful when you are speaking.
02:40:59 [Background noise] Is people that live
02:41:07 live free in our society from
02:41:08 oppressive restrictions imposed by
02:41:09 authority on one's way or life behavior
02:41:12 and political views without being said,
02:41:13 just because you do something doesn't
02:41:14 mean it's right. Elected leaders a lot
02:41:16 is expected of you to between the
02:41:19 Constitution and the city charter. I
02:41:22 don't agree with the fact that
02:41:24 [inaudible] exonerate elected instead
02:41:25 of taking the opportunity to celebrate
02:41:32 an opportunity to cast out. Mayor
02:41:33 Fuller respect you in my pin with a
02:41:34 more genuine [inaudible] in Collin
02:41:35 County. However, [Background noise]
02:41:39 June 2019. [Background noise] To be
02:41:43 more specific a majority of the time
02:41:48 [inaudible] are not prosecuted in
02:41:49 that's a tragedy in this country. That
02:41:51 truly is a travesty. I do not agree the
02:41:56 statement [inaudible] undermines the
02:41:57 integrity of our judicial system. The
02:42:01 truth is[inaudible]prosecutors and
02:42:02 resources. Okay was so intent seeking
02:42:03 justice for victims of domestic
02:42:06 violence. Minus they would've fact that
02:42:11 petition [inaudible] [inaudible] that
02:42:12 is Joshua Bernie. I oppose NASA council
02:42:17 to table them until such date are state
02:42:20 is not in of by [inaudible] therefore
02:42:27 the legal options left are to leave her
02:42:28 alone and a cost at contacts at minimal
02:42:31 cost and no committee is needed for
02:42:38 that. Removal it which I believe are
02:42:39 the committee will most likely started
02:42:40 for the the customer with a statue or
02:42:41 two I started that $100,000 all the way
02:42:43 up to $450,000. Right nitrogen with
02:42:47 counsel the cost is too high at this
02:42:48 time in the city's history for the and
02:42:49 of the citizens of McKinney would not
02:42:50 agree to spend such exorbitant amount
02:42:52 of money to remove the statue in so
02:42:53 many of our business are hurting. I
02:42:54 suggest we table the item [inaudible]
02:42:57 raise private funds to do so.
02:43:01 [Background noise] Get Shemwell off of
02:43:06 the council. [Background noise] It
02:43:10 is ridiculous to remove our history.
02:43:19 Lawrence van. Wake up council for the
02:43:20 that about statues for the it's about
02:43:21 socialism and Marxism in our country.
02:43:22 It does not stop and monuments.
02:43:25 [inaudible]. Please, do not move the statue.
02:43:29 McKinney is our hometown. Patty Barry.
02:43:33 [Background noise] At the statue is a
02:43:34 piece of our history from history is
02:43:36 unchanged removal any reference to
02:43:39 those. It's dangerous to forget
02:43:40 history. And showed we should learn
02:43:43 writer and strive about the no man was
02:43:49 perfect. And perfect man or woman we
02:43:50 would have done left. Congressman
02:43:51 Shemwell - - you got promotedis
02:43:52 dangerous and being needs to be
02:43:55 recalled. [Background noise] I suggest
02:44:00 we address the actual issues at hand
02:44:04 and the racial divide in our city. Does
02:44:05 not about a statute. It's the same when
02:44:07 I read before. [Background noise] All
02:44:14 right. Mom and ask one more time. If
02:44:17 everyone could be quiet then everyone
02:44:19 can staple if not you guys will
02:44:25 deliberate over the issue and everyone
02:44:26 will have to leave the building. So
02:44:27 please, don't. Let us have the
02:44:29 discussion so we can move this forward.
02:44:36 Item 20026 consider discuss act on a
02:44:39 resolution authorizing the creation of
02:44:40 an ad hoc Throckmorton statue advisory
02:44:45 board to oversee staff and expert
02:44:46 research related to the Throckmorton
02:44:47 statue located on city-owned property
02:44:51 date. Mr. - -. >> Good afternoon council.
02:44:52 Mayor, Mayor pro tem director planning
02:44:56 for the what were asking this afternoon
02:44:57 is for you to take a look at the
02:44:58 resolution before you that will
02:45:02 authorize the creation of an ad hoc
02:45:04 advisory board to take a look at the
02:45:06 Throckmorton statue located next to
02:45:09 impact. We do have a presentation from
02:45:12 last week if there's anyone that needs
02:45:14 to be refreshed about what we went over
02:45:16 and I'm here for any questions as well.
02:45:29 >> Questions? Any questions? Yes,
02:45:34 sir?
02:45:40 >> I do mention a sometime back. When
02:45:43 this was first brought up. I guess Mr.
02:45:48 Howell talked about using the committee
02:45:52 to not just address this issue, but to
02:45:54 address the other things we have to
02:45:57 work on. I talked about the speed of
02:45:58 government. I think all of us up here
02:46:02 Rand talk about the speed of
02:46:05 government. It's slow. So the only
02:46:06 thing I would say we have city
02:46:09 staffthat created the framework for the
02:46:17 [inaudible] act. We have city staff
02:46:18 that created the framework to help
02:46:19 businesses. We have city staff that
02:46:20 helped create an emergency business
02:46:25 program. I think we all did that in
02:46:29 like two months, maybe 2.5 months. So
02:46:30 one thing I would ask is and put out
02:46:33 there, the task force, I'd like - -
02:46:36 there's a lot of work to do and we
02:46:37 should continue long past the statue
02:46:39 but I to see this brought back to us in
02:46:43 October. And just we should be able to
02:46:45 do it quicker than that. So that would
02:46:48 be my thought and modification to the
02:46:51 proposal.
02:46:53 >> I agree with that statement.
02:47:01 >> [Speaker off microphone]
02:47:02 >> Other discussion?
02:47:20 >> There's a few things of my touch on.
02:47:22 First I'll come I want to publicly
02:47:24 thank councilmember Elliott. One of
02:47:25 your comments I made at the previous
02:47:29 work session on this item was that I
02:47:31 thought the timeframe was too long. I
02:47:33 also want to thank publicly
02:47:37 councilmember Elliott the Hon.
02:47:38 councilmember Elliott. When the council
02:47:42 decided to abruptly end and take a break
02:47:44 remember Elliott was the only rider
02:47:47 that did not get up from the dais. Did
02:47:50 not feel I guess pressure to get up
02:47:52 from the dais is the other
02:47:53 councilmembers did and go to the back
02:47:56 room and having a legal quorum to
02:47:58 abruptly and the meeting. That is a
02:48:03 bold step. That is leadership and I
02:48:06 just wanted to thank him for standing
02:48:08 on his own and doing the uncomfortable
02:48:13 thing to do and I just wanted to thank
02:48:16 you for that. I know it's not an easy
02:48:18 thing to do to stand on your own and be
02:48:22 ousted and sit alone and in times like
02:48:27 this I think the timeframe is far too
02:48:30 long and so I second that idea of
02:48:34 shortening the timeframe. I think the
02:48:41 mayor, the mayor pro tem as you've
02:48:42 heard although public comments about
02:48:45 councilmember being a communist and
02:48:47 wanted to take on the statute come I
02:48:49 think that it's only fair for the mayor
02:48:50 and mayor pro tem to take
02:48:53 accountability. Because it wasn't me
02:48:57 who brought the statute forward to be
02:48:59 on the agenda that we talk about. It
02:49:00 was the mayor and the mayor pro tem
02:49:03 brought this forward to be discussed in
02:49:06 the city. So while all these comments
02:49:09 are about councilmember Shemwell or
02:49:15 and he are having this discussion in
02:49:16 the racial divide and racial tension he
02:49:17 was the mayor and mayor pro tem about
02:49:19 this forward to be removed in the first
02:49:23 place. So I think as a leader you
02:49:24 should take some accountability and
02:49:26 shut down all these haters and all
02:49:27 these people were calling for my head
02:49:28 on a stick in the first place. And so,
02:49:33 again, I was asking wholeheartedly that
02:49:36 this discussion be tabled until the
02:49:41 next regular council meeting at 6 PM
02:49:45 because we have essential workers who
02:49:46 cannot be here at 3 PM today to meet
02:49:48 this. As it is a highly controversial
02:49:52 topic in our city and everyone wants to
02:49:55 be a part of a conversation there are
02:50:06 plenty of people, heroes, unsung
02:50:07 heroes, are essential workers as you
02:50:08 see her during COVID 19 just cannot
02:50:09 make this 3 PM meeting. Our store
02:50:10 clerks, our gas station attendees. Our
02:50:13 hospital workers. Just people who could
02:50:14 not be here at 3 PM. As we laid to rest
02:50:18 and remember her late Congressman John
02:50:21 Lewis who said, cross bridges and make
02:50:27 good trouble even if it makes people
02:50:28 uncomfortable we have to remember that
02:50:32 you may not like there's a lot of you
02:50:36 guys may not agree with me and I do not
02:50:38 bring forward this conversation about
02:50:40 statues. I've been here for three
02:50:44 years. I've always known about
02:50:45 Throckmorton. I find myself infatuated
02:50:47 with history of this country and
02:50:50 history of black people and what we had
02:50:53 to inter in America,, but I knew it
02:50:55 wasn't my place to bring forth the
02:50:58 statute because of the issues like this
02:51:00 that I would have to face being the
02:51:03 only black councilmember. It wasn't my
02:51:06 issue but this is bigger than the
02:51:11 statute for it's a representation. I
02:51:12 represent these constituents as you see
02:51:13 here. And it has nothing to do with the
02:51:15 statute. My constituents when the
02:51:18 statue removed then it is my obligation
02:51:20 to come bring forth their concerns
02:51:22 about the statute. If my constituents
02:51:25 want me to fix the street in district
02:51:28 1and it is my obligation to come bring
02:51:30 forth their concerns about the streets.
02:51:38 If it is a part they have a problem
02:51:39 with if it is street like to have a
02:51:40 problem with, and I'm going to come in
02:51:41 here and adjust their concerns. Whether
02:51:42 you like it or not. You cannot change
02:51:45 the time and make it a 3 PM meeting to
02:51:51 silence them or me. You cannot abruptly
02:51:52 end the meeting and go back there and
02:51:54 have any legal quorum and try to
02:51:56 silence me or my constituents. Doesn't
02:52:03 matter whether you like what I have to
02:52:04 say. It doesn't matter how I present it
02:52:06 . I'm going to address the concerns of
02:52:08 my constituents, whether you like it or
02:52:10 not. [Background noise] >> [Applause]
02:52:18 I am not here to address how I feel.
02:52:22 I'm not here to address what I like.
02:52:27 Because I do not bring forth the statue
02:52:30 because it's not about how I feel were
02:52:34 about what I like. But clearly, my
02:52:38 constituents have an issue with it.And
02:52:42 I'm going to address it. So I am asking
02:52:45 you guys to table this item to a time
02:52:49 where my working class constituents can
02:52:55 be here to address their concerns. And
02:52:56 I make a motion that we table this to
02:52:59 the next regular council meeting that
02:53:02 is at 6 PM and I would ask for a
02:53:05 second.
02:53:07 >> Ivan called for motions white
02:53:08 [inaudible] when we finished discussion
02:53:11 [inaudible]. [Background noise]
02:53:18 >> I will say a few things. I would
02:53:24 remind council Shemwell the mayor was I
02:53:27 trying to silence you. He was trying to
02:53:29 bring a point of order. [Background
02:53:32 noise] Trying to get calm and then
02:53:39 trying to speak and he was gonna give
02:53:40 you time to speak. But rules don't
02:53:41 apply to some people. And it's the
02:53:43 people out there just keep mouthing off,
02:53:48 that doesn't help your cause. It
02:53:50 really doesn't. [Background noise]
02:53:53 And I find it remarkable that this lady
02:53:55 came up here in a democratic shirt and
02:54:00 because Throckmorton was a great
02:54:04 Democrat. A great portion of history of
02:54:06 the Democratic Party is filled with
02:54:11 hatred and racism. The Democratic in
02:54:15 1846 supported slavery. In 1964 the
02:54:18 longest filibusters in history was the
02:54:23 Democrat did not want to pass the civil
02:54:25 rights bill and I'm sure most of you
02:54:28 consider yourselves good strong
02:54:31 Democrats and yet your party is filled
02:54:34 with hate and racism and history and
02:54:39 [inaudible] which is fine. I'm all
02:54:41 about forgiveness. Then, I see this
02:54:46 lady with a shirt. By any means
02:54:47 necessary. And I am reminded of my
02:54:50 ancestry. I'm a member of the church of
02:54:53 Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and
02:54:55 we have a history of prosecuting him a
02:55:00 persecution, in the 1800s. We left New
02:55:04 York and we settled in Missouri and we
02:55:07 were thriving in Missouri. [inaudible]
02:55:12 issued an extermination order for my
02:55:14 people. They said, get them out of the
02:55:18 state by any means necessary. They were
02:55:21 shot. They were raped. They
02:55:24 were driven out of the state of
02:55:27 Missouri and to Illinois and then they
02:55:31 had to move on to Utah. And the reason
02:55:35 I tell you that is because [inaudible]
02:55:39 and Boggs, he was buried in a cemetery
02:55:46 and buried and he had a stone statue
02:55:48 there and it had phone in disrepair.
02:55:51 So members of our church saw that and
02:55:54 they repaired it, basically gave him a
02:55:58 new headstone. And put nice things
02:56:02 about what he did and him and his wife.
02:56:06 Because it's about - - is not about
02:56:10 what he did. Is just not the fact for
02:56:15 what he did and we tell our kids about
02:56:17 it and I don't look at that headstone
02:56:20 with disdain or anger or anything else.
02:56:26 I look at that with sadness that this
02:56:27 man and the decisions he made in the
02:56:28 hurt because my people. So I think it
02:56:31 is worth us taking a look at slow down
02:56:34 and breathing and trying to figure out
02:56:37 what is the best thing to do here.
02:56:39 Because of the emails we get, I mean,
02:56:41 there are 60, 70 percent to keep the
02:56:42 statue. I realize that is not what is
02:56:43 here. But we have to listen to everyone.
02:56:47 So I think doing a committee is the
02:56:53 appropriate rational, let's breathe,
02:56:57 let's take a look at things. So that's
02:56:58 what I would support.
02:57:00 >> Councilmember Shemwell is correct.
02:57:04 I asked Lee brought this item. I by
02:57:08 design because it came to my attention
02:57:10 something in the committee that had the
02:57:11 propensity to build unrest. I thought I
02:57:13 wanted to bring it and have that
02:57:15 discussion. If in fact to her Shemwell
02:57:18 was something of unrest to district
02:57:22 when for three years, shame on you for
02:57:23 not bringing it up sooner. [Background
02:57:25 noise] But I brought it up. I brought
02:57:28 it up because I felt like we needed to
02:57:30 get in front of it. And have that
02:57:34 discussion. I stated that we needed to
02:57:36 form a committee and that we needed to
02:57:38 engage the community for a simple
02:57:42 reason it that people needed to stop
02:57:48 yelling past one another. And try to
02:57:49 hear one another. In hopes that what
02:57:50 ever decision is made the statue is
02:57:51 determined to be removed people will
02:57:53 understand the reason as to why that
02:57:55 statue has been removed. If it is to
02:57:58 stay with maybe contextual plaque,
02:58:01 people will understand why. I felt it
02:58:05 was important to just, number one, it
02:58:06 was also stated very clearly and
02:58:08 everyone appear gnosis - - that by
02:58:12 law, the statute. By looking process
02:58:14 of the statue if you want to remove it,
02:58:16 number one is that you have to file for
02:58:19 an application for that you have to
02:58:23 submit where you are going to be the
02:58:24 statue. It has to be approved by the
02:58:26 state. It's a historical antiquities
02:58:30 landmark and that process has to go. So
02:58:35 at that last meeting, which it doesn't
02:58:36 fit the narrative all the hate so it's
02:58:39 not repeated but if you go back and
02:58:40 watch the video, what I suggested and
02:58:42 what Ashley suggested and directed staff
02:58:51 with consensus, to go ahead and start
02:58:52 that permit process in the event that
02:58:53 is where the community landed. But I
02:58:54 know that doesn't fit the narrative to
02:58:55 it is not talked about. You know, I'm
02:58:58 going to adjust a couple things that
02:58:59 were said. I want to thank were known.
02:59:04 I truly do because he came in your at
02:59:05 the end of his comments he demonstrated
02:59:06 the same thing he was doing outside
02:59:07 with a bullhorn last week. And you
02:59:09 couple that with people with AR 15's
02:59:11 >> Point of order. Point of order.
02:59:12 >> Excuse me
02:59:13 >> Point of order Mr. Mayor.
02:59:14 >> [Background noise]>> Point of
02:59:16 order.
02:59:17 >> [Background noise]
02:59:23 >> Point of order. Point of order. You
02:59:25 can say that for the counsel comments
02:59:29 but right now we are on the agenda of
02:59:31 item.
02:59:32 >> You know it I will take that advice.
02:59:36 >> Yes.
02:59:37 >> I will take that advice actually.
02:59:38 When we have councilmember Thomas.
02:59:41 >> Yes. Point of order.
02:59:47 >> [Background noise]
02:59:48 >> Is there anyone else that hasn't
02:59:49 made a common yet appear on the item
02:59:50 before we vote on it?
02:59:53 >> Know we are having a discussion
02:59:54 >> Yes. Is there anybody also want to
02:59:55 discuss?
03:00:01 >> So, we are discussion. You have
03:00:02 something to say Mr. Mr. manager Mr.
03:00:07 Grimes?
03:00:08 >> I will call the question call the
03:00:10 vote
03:00:11 >> No. I have discussion!
03:00:14 >> [Background noise]
03:00:16 >> I have discussion.
03:00:32 >> Mr. Shemwell spoke initially.
03:00:33 >> Yes. I understand that. Mr. Grimes
03:00:34 is giving you sidebar but I have
03:00:35 discussion for the discussion goes back
03:00:36 and forth. It's on monologue. You had
03:00:37 something to say now that you said
03:00:38 something I have more comment.
03:00:39 >> I know that you hate this Mr.
03:00:40 Shemwell but actually preside over the
03:00:42 meeting. We need to move the item.
03:00:46 >> So, I will call this item to a vote.
03:00:53 >> No. I have discussion
03:00:54 >> After the motion you can discuss.
03:01:00 >> [Background noise]
03:01:03 >> So, I will make a motion that we
03:01:04 approve the resolution. However the
03:01:07 timetable needs we reduce. I don't if
03:01:08 Mr. - - if you are prepared to give us
03:01:11 , I think I wish we would have this
03:01:12 discussion last week, but how quickly
03:01:16 can we have this discussion or have
03:01:19 this committee. If we don't compromise
03:01:24 two things. We want to give them the
03:01:25 opportunity to get the information that
03:01:26 needs to be had for people to
03:01:27 understand and digest and two, citizen
03:01:31 comments. Citizen input whether that be
03:01:32 public hearing or have her that happens.
03:01:36 What is the quickest we could do that
03:01:38 without compromising on those things.
03:01:40 >> So, we had had the committee
03:01:41 essentially ad hoc committee meeting
03:01:44 once a month. We can have that twice a
03:01:46 month if you want to do that.
03:01:49 >> So, is that reasonable to everyone
03:01:51 appear?
03:01:52 >> Yes.
03:01:53 >> Yes.
03:01:56 >> Okay. So we can do it every two
03:01:57 weeks
03:01:58 >> We can do it every two weeks. We set
03:01:59 no more than four meetings, three
03:02:00 would be preferable so we can have two
03:02:03 in September. You have to council
03:02:08 meetings in October, October 6 which is
03:02:09 a work session and regular meeting. The
03:02:17 20th which is a work session or writer
03:02:18 meeting in the 27th which is a work
03:02:19 session. So if you want to bring it
03:02:20 back in October you have the sixth is
03:02:21 the earliest in your the 20th which is
03:02:22 a regular session.
03:02:23 >> [inaudible] we are in July. About
03:02:25 to be I guess. If we had three meetings
03:02:27 every two weeks that would give us six
03:02:32 weeks. Actually, four weeks is the
03:02:36 first meeting with Sartre as soon as we
03:02:38 form the committee but we would not be
03:02:39 able to do that until Wednesday first
03:02:45 meeting
03:02:46 >> Well, I think we had you coming back
03:02:47 to appoint the task force members on
03:02:48 August 4 I believe was a council meeting
03:02:50 >> Okay. August 4
03:02:51 >> Correct.
03:02:52 >> So, we schedule a meeting
03:02:54 approximately [inaudible] to give them
03:02:55 time it's a 10 day period. So maybe
03:03:00 where in mid-September
03:03:07 >> And, I don't have - -
03:03:08 >> In public input which is most abort
03:03:09 >> I don't have the counsel needs for
03:03:14 September. I do not look that up
03:03:15 >> Will need council meetings. What we
03:03:16 need vs. information. From the
03:03:17 committee to have full understanding
03:03:19 and then input by the community. Unless
03:03:24 there is an opinion different than that
03:03:25 I don't know we need to buy down the
03:03:32 parcel multiple council meetings during
03:03:33 it was I think we need information and
03:03:34 the unity involved and then we have to
03:03:35 have a work session would be my
03:03:36 thought. Does anyone think differently
03:03:37 than that?
03:03:40 >> [Speaker off microphone]
03:03:43 >> So, - - August is a
03:03:49 vacation month. Some people are going
03:03:51 now. So we may have members of this
03:03:53 committee don't know who they are yet
03:03:54 and they plans.. And so I'm trying be
03:03:59 mindful of that and realistically you
03:04:04 shared were [inaudible] a couple weeks
03:04:06 each. Realistically I think we are
03:04:13 probably not going to get before
03:04:14 October 6. I think October 6 is a
03:04:15 reasonable date. I think we can aim for
03:04:19 that for a report back to the city
03:04:20 Council and public media by the findings
03:04:21 and research and work done and the
03:04:23 counsel will have a little time either
03:04:25 to act or table it and continue the
03:04:34 discussion until October 20 but I would
03:04:35 say October 6 in my opinion is a
03:04:36 reasonable timeframe to give us time to
03:04:40 comprise the committee, schedule
03:04:41 meetings, get them there. Only the
03:04:42 majority [inaudible]
03:04:43 >> Well again by mid-September I was
03:04:45 only saying the first three meetings
03:04:47 will be done.
03:04:51 >> October 6 would be a very good
03:04:55 target
03:04:56 >> In reference I committee they might
03:04:57 saywe need four, five minutes. So I
03:05:00 want to have a little bit of cushion.
03:05:03 >> Sure. So my motion is that we
03:05:04 approve this resolution. We put
03:05:06 together this committee. Our target
03:05:08 date is October 6. Mr. - - if it
03:05:12 looks like if you're the point person
03:05:14 on this of the committee feels they
03:05:15 need more time or come to council we
03:05:19 will make a collective decision if we
03:05:21 move that beyond but the idea would be
03:05:22 to be thorough but not wasteful of
03:05:27 time. So that is my motion. Is there a
03:05:29 second?
03:05:30 >> Second.
03:05:31 >> A short discussion on the motion?
03:05:34 >> Yes. So the discussion is this and
03:05:38 any comments we have heard this phrase
03:05:40 of over and over again, of that the
03:05:43 majority of the community speak. But
03:05:46 the majority of the community, the most
03:05:49 of the community needs to be heard.
03:05:52 Any argument to that, is that as we saw
03:05:57 in our last council work session the
03:05:58 majority of the community is 60
03:06:00 percent, 61 percent white. There is no
03:06:06 possible way that 12 percent of the
03:06:07 black community of McKinney can vote
03:06:08 61 percent of the white community. That
03:06:11 seems to be the argument that always
03:06:15 has been the argument, the historical
03:06:17 argument, in this country is that if
03:06:20 the majority of white residents don't
03:06:23 seem to care or, our voices are
03:06:31 following a deaf ears then it doesn't
03:06:32 matter with the black residents feel
03:06:33 McKinney. And our feelings go what,
03:06:38 unhurt? Then this council puts on a
03:06:41 mock show of putting together a task
03:06:45 force to CYA, to cover your tales. So
03:06:52 when the majority comes back with a
03:06:53 response that we want to keep this in
03:06:54 place and Alisa was in thecouncil
03:06:59 persons who did it when the mayor says,
03:07:00 yes, you're right I put this on, shame
03:07:04 on you Shemwell you should've taken
03:07:05 charge you for the well if you're doing
03:07:06 such a thing to take charge then why
03:07:07 put it off on a task force? Take
03:07:13 charge and take only because the
03:07:14 majority of 61 percent of the white
03:07:15 community is going to outvote the black
03:07:18 residents who are the ones who are
03:07:19 suffering over this. So there is no
03:07:23 need to put on this mock show when your
03:07:26 residents are telling you, there is no
03:07:31 way that black residents make up 12
03:07:32 percent of this community can outvote
03:07:34 the majority. We hear it. We know this
03:07:36 doubletalk. We know what it means when
03:07:43 you say let the majority vote. We know
03:07:44 that means in this country when you say
03:07:45 that the majority vote. That means let
03:07:46 us have our white whale in the city.
03:07:50 Let us have our privilege in this
03:07:52 country. But that is my short
03:07:54 discussion.
03:07:56 >> Okay. Let it be known of them use
03:07:58 the words let the majority decide. Is
03:08:00 not been suggested. I want the
03:08:05 community to be engaged. I want
03:08:07 everyone to have the opportunity to
03:08:09 [inaudible]. To your point
03:08:11 >> Mayor, Shemwell, there's extreme
03:08:16 [inaudible] to what you said if we were
03:08:17 to put this out on a vote and some
03:08:21 referendum or some form like that.
03:08:23 That's not what is being suggested
03:08:25 here. Actually it specific to that very
03:08:31 reason. So the idea of the committee is
03:08:32 to engage the community and have open
03:08:33 public public hearings. I'm not even
03:08:35 directing to you at this point.
03:08:39 [inaudible] in my mouth that are not
03:08:41 accurate. [inaudible]. That is the - -
03:08:47 this is, make no mistake, there's not
03:08:48 about a majority vote this about a
03:08:50 committee to identify what is the
03:08:54 statue, what does it actually
03:08:57 celebrating. If it is to be removed,
03:09:00 where it would be moved? Would that be
03:09:04 approved by the state? If it is going
03:09:06 to stay doesn't stay as is? Does it
03:09:08 stay with more context and additional
03:09:11 plaque? All things that need to be in
03:09:17 a community discussion and as I've said
03:09:19 multiple times a gets lost in all this
03:09:22 chaos, is that the importance to that
03:09:23 is do not have what we have here. The
03:09:26 importance of that, I understand that
03:09:28 some people don't feel that it's
03:09:30 intimidating, but I assure you that
03:09:35 some people coming year to City Hall to
03:09:36 feel intimidated. Did you feel
03:09:38 intimidated. I'm not saying it's right
03:09:40 or wrong of course I understand they
03:09:43 are intimidated. I get it. So if we
03:09:46 could have a conversation and yes, let
03:09:51 me speak to that since everyone keeps
03:09:53 bringing that up. [Background noise]
03:09:56 Let me - - if I'd had definitive
03:09:58 response, [inaudible] on the spot and
03:10:01 it wasn't time for the city attorney to
03:10:03 consult with a Texas state ethics
03:10:07 commission or secretary of state or
03:10:09 whoever would have consulted to whether
03:10:10 or not I literally could move this man.
03:10:16 Otherwise I would have quite frankly.
03:10:17 However I assure you of this that there
03:10:18 will now be in the next agenda as long
03:10:23 as there's a site we will create a
03:10:24 ordinance that does provide us with
03:10:25 specifically the ability to prevent any
03:10:27 kind of symbol that we deem as a hate
03:10:29 symbol, that we deem inappropriate and
03:10:31 that will be [Background noise].
03:10:37 >> [Speaker off microphone]
03:10:38 >> We are on this item. I made a
03:10:39 motion. Is there a second for that
03:10:40 motion. Again the motion is for the
03:10:43 committee October 6 of the target.
03:10:45 Being flexible if we need to be that
03:10:46 will be a joint decision by the this
03:10:50 counsel. We have had discussion. Is
03:10:56 there anyone else would like to speak
03:10:57 to it
03:10:58 >> Mayor, can I clarify, everything
03:11:00 else on the resolution is fine. It's
03:11:06 the 11 members meeting no less than
03:11:07 three times. The bring back information
03:11:08 to council to decide.
03:11:09 >> [Speaker off microphone] November
03:11:10 date on
03:11:17 >> It does not.
03:11:18 >> Did it ever?
03:11:19 >> No. It did not. That something - -
03:11:20 that got lost in the fray.
03:11:21 >> [inaudible]
03:11:22 >> We will add that in the motion the
03:11:23 right I will make sure the 11 members
03:11:25 is fine. No less than three times. And
03:11:27 then they will be bringing information
03:11:28 back to counsel.
03:11:32 >> To
03:11:35 >> Correct.
03:11:36 >> So, I will say this, too. We will
03:11:37 put on the agenda first staff to update
03:11:41 update us will get all get a feel of
03:11:42 how it's going, where it is going and
03:11:45 adjust and be nimble. Does that agree?
03:11:48 >> People keep saying did not get the
03:11:53 opportunity to speak because of
03:11:56 [inaudible]. There is times to speak
03:11:57 for the next-- until October. So if you
03:12:01 feel like you were not heard come out
03:12:04 again and be heard. We are not trying
03:12:08 to silence anybody. We would love to
03:12:09 hear your opinion. So come out and give
03:12:16 it. This meeting have to be
03:12:17 >> It happened to be at 3 PM. Again,
03:12:21 remember last meeting public comments
03:12:23 for the agenda item this agenda item at
03:12:27 the beginning of the meeting so
03:12:28 everybody that signed up to speak last
03:12:31 week spoke. Nobody was silenced. Every
03:12:33 single person that signed up to speak
03:12:34 for agenda items last week spoke at the
03:12:38 beginning of the meeting. Now if you
03:12:39 did not fill out a card I'm sorry. But
03:12:41 everybody we had [inaudible] I will ask
03:12:44 you to look it up but a lot of false
03:12:49 statements being made. [Background
03:12:51 noise] So we have a motion and second.
03:12:56 Would everyone please, cast your vote.
03:13:03 >> Roll Call Vote: The motion passes.
03:13:08 >> We will forgo the counsel comments
03:13:09 and that included [inaudible] but I
03:13:12 will forgo that. [Background noise]
03:13:30 We do have two non-agenda items
03:13:31 speakers that of registered. So they
03:13:33 will get to speak. You have two minutes.
03:13:39 Here it is. So - - Rolando, you sign
03:13:44 up to speak for non-agenda, is that
03:13:47 correct?
03:13:48 >> [Speaker off microphone]
03:13:49 >> Okay. Irene Lamb..
03:13:56 >> Good evening mayor and
03:14:00 councilmembers. I'm talking a different
03:14:02 subject. I'm going to take my mask down.
03:14:05 I have been a McKinney citizen for the
03:14:09 last 30 years, plus. Regarding the
03:14:15 senior citizen pool the last two years
03:14:18 have been swimming there and since the
03:14:19 pandemic the city closed that pool
03:14:23 and then now they said it will be
03:14:27 renovation until next year.So there is
03:14:29 not a place for me to swim and some
03:14:34 other senior citizens. So my drain if
03:14:39 the city has any alternative? I did
03:14:40 check out another outdoor pool but they
03:14:43 don't operate in the evening time,
03:14:46 which I work Monday through Friday. So
03:14:47 my question is, does council have any
03:14:51 plan to offer any alternative at the
03:14:55 other apex pool, where this kind of
03:15:02 [inaudible] price for that right now, I
03:15:06 Artie pay for a membership for the
03:15:07 senior pool and at the other pool they
03:15:09 said only a 60 year, plus, would get a
03:15:14 discounted price. Otherwise, you pay
03:15:15 approximately $60 a month. So, since
03:15:18 the pandemic, I guess the [inaudible]
03:15:25 to keep healthy and not get sick but
03:15:26 closing the pool that we cannot swim,,
03:15:29 it hurts our health. So I want to ask
03:15:30 and see if you guys have any
03:15:32 suggestions to help citizens to maybe
03:15:39 at a discounted price. Because I don't
03:15:40 know who decides the age of the senior
03:15:42 citizen. At the pool I swim it says
03:15:51 50, plus as a senior but in the other
03:15:52 pool it says 60. So I want to see if
03:15:53 council can help the citizens. Thank
03:15:57 you.
03:15:58 >> Thank you generally we don't respond
03:15:59 but let me tell you to contact the city
03:16:04 , if you leave your name and phone
03:16:05 number filled out a card with your
03:16:06 phone number on it? Yes him the Oaks
03:16:08 Apple reach out to you. That sounded
03:16:10 very reasonable. We will figure out a
03:16:11 solution for you and staff will call
03:16:13 you and talk through what that is.
03:16:19 >> I really appreciate that. Thank you
03:16:20 very much
03:16:21 >> Before we adjourn into executive
03:16:22 session to someone that will join me in
03:16:23 putting a discussion on our very next
03:16:25 meeting a ordinance oh give council the
03:16:27 ability to deem appear as a majority if
03:16:32 something is offensive or not to have
03:16:35 it removed from - - and removed from
03:16:39 chambers? Would someone join me on
03:16:40 that? Okay. So we will put that on the
03:16:47 next council meeting so we won't have
03:16:48 question about what our authority is or
03:16:49 is not.
03:16:50 >> [Speaker off microphone]
03:16:51 >> I'm going to ask everyone to forgo
03:16:58 but since it's on the agenda if you
03:17:00 want to I guess give them anyway
03:17:04 unprepared not to. I think it occurs to
03:17:07 me we are 50 minutes late for a P&Z
03:17:10 meeting and 50 minutes.
03:17:12 >> Yes. I have some comments.
03:17:17 >> Mark can we do it by consensus?
03:17:19 >> [Speaker off microphone]
03:17:21 >> Can you make it brief?
03:17:25 >> Councilmember B was I will forgo my
03:17:28 comments. We have the TIRZ - 15 minutes
03:17:33 late and another 50 minutes we are
03:17:34 planning and zoning meeting. And we had
03:17:39 ample opportunity for everybody to make
03:17:40 their comments here this evening so I
03:17:42 think it would be courteous to the
03:17:45 people of the P&Z meaning we should all
03:17:48 [inaudible] council comments
03:17:50 >> I will agree with that
03:17:58 >> I am not going to waive mine. I'm
03:17:59 going be courteous to my residents and
03:18:00 the consumers who give out there time
03:18:01 and took off their time seeing that we
03:18:02 are the city Council and where
03:18:08 planning and sewing do not supersede
03:18:09 council meetings. So these meetings
03:18:10 take precedence to TIRZ - and planning
03:18:12 and zoning. We appoint those want to
03:18:13 take all the time we need and give the
03:18:15 time that's due to our residents who
03:18:17 actually elect us to do city business.
03:18:21 So I'm going to take the time I need.
03:18:25 First Amanda [inaudible] who turned 90
03:18:26 years old and say happy birthday to
03:18:29 Juan Francis. As a district 1 resident
03:18:40 90 years old with after my grandmother
03:18:41 turned 71 years old so happy birthday
03:18:42 to my grandfather. I want to say I grew
03:18:43 up in Los Angeles. Was born and raised
03:18:44 in Los Angelesthat is because my
03:18:45 grandfather was born in Georgia fled
03:18:48 the South. My grandfather was born in
03:18:50 Georgia and they fled the South like so
03:18:51 many others who fled the South due to
03:18:54 racial persecution. See, here in I was
03:19:00 taught as young person to hear and see
03:19:01 and be aware of my surroundings.
03:19:03 Because my grandfather was a boy in a
03:19:05 racial and segregated South. Never went
03:19:08 to school with white folks. He taught
03:19:12 me, he fled the South never return to
03:19:15 the South. He was persecuted. And so,
03:19:21 when I came to Texas, I was raised, I
03:19:25 was taught, to be aware of my
03:19:28 surroundings. To be keenly aware, to
03:19:30 teach my children how not to move, how
03:19:34 to place my hands when pulled over and
03:19:36 how to be treated when around other
03:19:39 people do not look like me. So I'm
03:19:43 keenly aware of my surroundings. And
03:19:47 apparently, unbeknownst to some of
03:19:49 these people I sit on council with, I
03:19:51 was handed down those teachings for my
03:19:57 grandfather. And some oof these
03:19:59 teachings from people that I sit on the
03:20:00 dais with, they were handed down and
03:20:04 regurgitated the hate they were taught.
03:20:07 So there are lies and deceit that they
03:20:11 regurgitate because they were taught
03:20:13 that. So when the mayor says things
03:20:17 that put black and brown residents of
03:20:20 McKinney in danger, when he says things
03:20:21 like, those outsiders, that don't come
03:20:25 around, those are things that he was
03:20:29 taught maybe unbeknownst to him like I
03:20:32 was taught to be aware of my
03:20:33 surroundings for that when he says come
03:20:38 outsiders, those are things that allow
03:20:39 for slavery to exist for an additional
03:20:40 two years in Texas. See, by keeping
03:20:45 away outsiders, the slaves hear from
03:20:49 1863-18 65 did not know they were free.
03:20:52 So they frowned upon people like me
03:20:53 from Los Angeles when I came to Texas.
03:20:57 He ain't from around here. But I'm
03:21:02 keenly aware of my surroundings. If we
03:21:09 are going to dominate these
03:21:10 conversations about justice and equality
03:21:12 in moving forward and truth and
03:21:13 harmony, those conversations have to be
03:21:15 dominated with truth. But I understand
03:21:21 the doubletalk. When he says that we
03:21:26 were intimidated because we were black.
03:21:28 That black people were out there with
03:21:30 guns. Those conversations do not foster
03:21:34 an environment of inclusiveness. But
03:21:38 they stoke fear in the city. That
03:21:43 doesn't foster an environment of
03:21:46 inclusiveness but they have our
03:21:49 residents and neighbors talk about
03:21:51 shoot them all. And this isn't anything
03:21:55 new because I reach out to the city
03:21:57 manager to reach out to the chief of
03:22:00 police immediately when I saw those
03:22:03 text messages because I was concerned
03:22:04 about black residents.. And they told
03:22:12 me there wasn't much we could do about
03:22:15 ambiguous threats. So should we wait
03:22:18 until a mass shooting takes place in
03:22:20 the city of McKinney before we take
03:22:25 proactive measures? But then they want
03:22:37 to act like I'm the reason.
03:22:42 [Background noise] We have an
03:22:44 opportunity now as leaders to bring
03:22:47 this community together. Before this
03:22:51 meeting started there was a young
03:22:53 gentleman who came to me with tears in
03:22:54 his eyes and he poured out his heart to
03:23:00 me. And he'd not share the same skin
03:23:05 color as I do. And he said, I don't
03:23:09 agree with everything that you say or do
03:23:14 , but we must work together. And I
03:23:18 don't to see him die and I don't want
03:23:21 to die and went see any of you die. But
03:23:23 we are on a dangerous trajectory if we
03:23:27 don't come together and heal this
03:23:29 community together. And constantly
03:23:33 asking leaders on this dais to work
03:23:35 together. And with the mayor put out,
03:23:39 those lies was despicable. Not because
03:23:43 I don't like him. But because he put
03:23:49 residents of this community in harms
03:23:50 way. We have to do better Nobody should
03:24:00 live in fear in our city because two
03:24:08 people don't agree on ideologies.
03:24:09 Because two people don't agree on
03:24:11 politics. That is beyond childish, but
03:24:17 worse, it is dangerous. I am committed
03:24:30 to you guys to move in this community
03:24:36 forward. For true justice and true
03:24:40 harmony. But that only happens if we
03:24:46 speak and truths.. We don't have to
03:24:50 agree with another. We do not have to
03:24:56 likeone another. But we have to speak
03:24:59 honestly to one another. We can agree
03:25:06 to disagree. Incivility. But it has to
03:25:10 be done in truth. Not in lies and
03:25:17 deceit.The only way we can fix a problem
03:25:24 is at first admit we have a problem.
03:25:29 We have to get past the denial stage.
03:25:37 Thank you.
03:25:38 >> >> [Applause]
03:25:41 >> It's already been mentioned it was
03:25:51 difficult for a lot of you to be here.
03:25:53 So you heard it's been on the schedule.
03:26:01 It's been scheduled for 3 PM a long
03:26:02 time. Just my thoughts for
03:26:03 consideration by council. When you
03:26:06 schedule further p.m. it's [inaudible]
03:26:08 to take information in. Just a thought
03:26:13 to counsel maybe we start later because
03:26:14 if we change a work session on the
03:26:18 fourth Tuesday into a, - - I don't
03:26:23 know what the right word is - - are a
03:26:27 special meeting if we take it to a
03:26:33 specially where we have public input
03:26:34 and voting and things like that just
03:26:35 maybe to council that we take up her to
03:26:36 to schedule it later in the day even if
03:26:39 has to be on another day of the week.
03:26:40 The rules that we have are that I think
03:26:43 72 hours I have timewe can schedule
03:26:47 meeting. So just throw it out there for
03:26:49 council for discussion. Obviously I
03:26:51 received a lot of us received a lot of
03:26:54 texts and phone calls. Gosh come I want
03:26:57 to be there but I can't. So if we
03:27:00 change it to a special meeting just ask
03:27:03 you we consider the meeting at a
03:27:05 different time.
03:27:07 >> I will be very brief. I would agree
03:27:15 with you if we had not already had
03:27:16 public comments before that. So the
03:27:17 ideas we were going to deliberate.
03:27:19 There's been a lot of accusations about
03:27:23 the video. I stand by it I said in the
03:27:25 video. Where it becomes with someone
03:27:29 considers a lie and a not lie is maybe
03:27:31 for the came in your and spoke, you
03:27:33 heard Mr. Allen and the passion. One
03:27:37 way I can appreciate that, but to some,
03:27:40 apparently, there is no - - that's
03:27:44 not intimidation. Whether AR 14, 15,
03:27:47 whatever other weapons and bullhorns,
03:27:51 is not intimidating. So what I say that
03:27:53 I have been made aware of - - getting
03:27:58 text from people as a matter fact my
03:28:02 exact words not what they were blocking
03:28:03 people to come in. I stated I said at
03:28:06 least people felt that way conveying
03:28:12 they felt that way. Another important
03:28:13 nuance that gets lost in the fray. But
03:28:14 to some people I understand, I am lying.
03:28:20 A group of however many out there they
03:28:21 are AR 15's and bullhorns that's not
03:28:22 intimidating something that would scare
03:28:23 people in that I lied. That's not
03:28:24 intimidating. I can assure you all that
03:28:26 emails and text I've gotten and maybe
03:28:30 I'm to take a wild guess, that the
03:28:32 equal number of people that commented
03:28:34 that are coming here and some yelling
03:28:37 and screaming, there was an equal
03:28:40 number people that wrote them in. Now,
03:28:42 maybe they felt intimidated for the
03:28:46 everyone every email I got is that they
03:29:00 were not intimidated. They were not
03:29:01 going to be coming here for the there's
03:29:02 also a comment about weapons two weeks
03:29:03 before. I've asked a number times,
03:29:04 first of all, for anyone that doesn't
03:29:05 know, we don't have x-ray vision. We
03:29:06 can see outside that door so if there's
03:29:07 actually people with weapons, all say
03:29:08 it again it's not a lie I've no idea
03:29:09 from people from - - I'm told that
03:29:10 the white synchronous group with
03:29:13 weapons vote there's no video. If you
03:29:14 want to see the video we talk about
03:29:16 tonight [inaudible] has it and people
03:29:17 will determine for themselves whether
03:29:19 there was an intimidation factor aside
03:29:21 or not. Then if you believe not, and
03:29:26 say that's a light would say that's a
03:29:27 difference a weapon but either way, I
03:29:28 conveyed what was conveyed and I stand
03:29:31 by it, period. I've much more to say. I
03:29:34 will put out my public comments or
03:29:36 council comments tomorrow online
03:29:44 because I think they are important. But
03:29:45 with that we are to move to executive
03:29:46 session. And in accordance with 55107
03:29:50 causally with attorney on any pending
03:29:53 or kindly litigation vs. Vincent are
03:29:58 Emmanuel and Betty Dimino in the County
03:29:59 Court lot number six: County we will
03:30:03 talk about this in executive session.
03:30:07 One minute.
03:30:08 >> >> [Closed Session]
03:30:30 >> We are back in session. Is there a
03:30:33 motion?
03:30:34 >> Yes. I move [inaudible]
03:30:39 [Background noise]
03:30:41 >> I will second that.
03:30:43 >> There is a motion and a second.
03:30:51 Please, cast your vote.
03:30:53 >> Roll Call Vote: The motion passes.
03:30:57 >> Motion to adjourn?
03:30:58 >> So moved.
03:31:01 >> Second.
03:31:02 >> All those in favor say, aye.
03:31:03 [Chorus of ayes.]
03:31:05 >> [Gavel]
03:31:17 >> [Event concluded]